Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

[Lilyth]

Oh no, I'm so scared of older jobs becoming fun. The dev team totally never said that pre-Endwalker Summoner wouldn't be able to keep up with all the changes because of how complicated it was to design and play in the first place, no, not at all...

If by "fun" you mean gutting and chopping off as many skills/meaningful interactions with the class as you possibly can to the point that you can literally play it with a single button macro, all while pouring a bunch of "cool" effects on top of it to hide the fact it has absolutely nothing underneath.....

Yeah. I'd be scared of that too.

[AmpelioB]

If by "fun" you mean gutting and chopping off as many skills/meaningful interactions with the class as you possibly can to the point that you can literally play it with a single button macro, all while pouring a bunch of "cool" effects on top of it to hide the fact it has absolutely nothing underneath.....

Yeah. I'd be scared of that too.

Exchanging meaning interactions and reducing the button bloat *

because yea, having to penta weave all the time really is considered "fun". Summoner is such a bad place that is currently the second most played dps and already surpassing the number of players AND doubling when the last savage tier dropped.

[SieyaM]

Exchanging meaning interactions and reducing the button bloat *

because yea, having to penta weave all the time really is considered "fun". Summoner is such a bad place that is currently the second most played dps and already surpassing the number of players AND doubling when the last savage tier dropped.

There are a lot of people that are of the mind that pressing more buttons equates to engaging and complex gameplay, when it really just amounts to busy work if none of those buttons are working together towards something. The previous iteration of SMN had a lot of DoT elements and then almost completely divorced from that were the Summoning elements, and the later part consisted of one badly functioning pet that you had near no control of or interaction with while the former meant juggling DoT timers to increase potency of a single skill.

[rewd]

Oh no, I'm so scared of older jobs becoming fun. The dev team totally never said that pre-Endwalker Summoner wouldn't be able to keep up with all the changes because of how complicated it was to design and play in the first place, no, not at all...

They unironically never said that, but you'd have no argument if you didn't twist their words so I understand.

[TsuchinokoPanda]

I haven't gone through all 70+ pages of this thread, so this may have already been touched on, but I'm sick to death of G'raha. He was sort of endearing in ShB, I get that he's gone through a lot, but the moment he joined the Scions it's like he became the dev's favorite boytoy that they need the feel to push into every situation with the WoL. His fanboy nature is irritating, like it was tailor made for his droves of fans who lose their mind any moment he breathes. Said droves act like you've murdered their first born if you so much as utter a syllable against him too.

I really hope they tone him tf down in the next expansion, but who am I kidding, he's probably getting a 1,000+ buck statue soon and will forcibly be BFFs with the WoL until I die of old age. I did enjoy that I pretty much got to tell him I dislike traveling with him in the current 24 man raid story, but we can't be putting down the fandom fave too often, so I doubt we'll see more of that.

[rewd]

Exchanging meaning interactions and reducing the button bloat *

because yea, having to penta weave all the time really is considered "fun". Summoner is such a bad place that is currently the second most played dps and already surpassing the number of players AND doubling when the last savage tier dropped.

Ah, yes, SMN. The famous "having to penta weave all the time" job.

I get that this is the "hot takes" thread, but that doesn't mean you have to lie.

[DezereDawn]

Summoner's rework was fine and all i ask is that they continue building on the one central idea the job is based around now and make it more interesting with time



I know healers are struggling to not fall asleep right now, so i can't say i'm convinced it'll happen, but i'd rather a consistent, somewhat boring design that can be worked on than the old, mashed together, held together via duct tape and a prayer, reliant on botched ai design

[AmpelioB]

I get that this is the "hot takes" thread, but that doesn't mean you have to lie.

I'm hardly lying but rather using my personal experience, even taking your own link you can see they are busier caster which are the most things I play, feel free to take my logs for the past tier and call me bad but don't call me a liar.

[rewd]

I'm hardly lying but rather using my personal experience, even taking your own link you can see they are busier caster which are the most things I play, feel free to take my logs for the past tier and call me bad but don't call me a liar.

No one cares about your logs or your experience when you can instead provide facts. You had the arrogance to judge what other people might find fun and all you brought to the discussion was a baseless hyperbolic statement. You don't exactly get to whine when your lie is exposed.

[D6Damager]

Ah, yes, SMN. The famous "having to penta weave all the time" job.

I get that this is the "hot takes" thread, but that doesn't mean you have to lie.

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