Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

[IdowhatIwant]

And there it is.

Shitty writing is actually the players fault. You heard it here first folks.

EDIT: And frankly I don't believe there were any credible threats anyway. Certain people always claim they were threatened with all manner of nasty things on the internet but never go to the police nor do they produce any even slightly credible evidence of it. It's just a convenient way to deflect criticism.

Nanamo's death and a lot of HW's plot involving it was rewritten because fans were upset that they killed Nanamo off. It is fairly apparent in the plot and the devs even talked about how they had changed it due to fan feedback.

[Vahlnir]

Nanamo's death and a lot of HW's plot involving it was rewritten because fans were upset that they killed Nanamo off. It is fairly apparent in the plot and the devs even talked about how they had changed it due to fan feedback.

Character deaths aren't meant to be pleasant though. Making these things less impactful (or not impactful at all in this particular case) just ruins the story. This is one of those things where I think they would benefit more from not listening to the player base to any significant degree.

[MilkieTea]

Character deaths aren't meant to be pleasant though. Making these things less impactful (or not impactful at all in this particular case) just ruins the story.

I'm of the idea that character deaths aren't needed for impact, and needless character death is shitty writing. However, I was expecting at least one death, and I'd been expecting it to be one of the major Archons. Not Alphinaud, as he's yet to fulfill his character growth arc (He's almost there, just not quite), AND he represents what the main character in a typical RPG would be. Not Y'shtola, because for all her fakeouts I think there's still a need for her (And she's the marketing face of the game, It'd be like killing Harry Potter and leaving him for dead). Not Thancred, because he still has responsibilities to take care of. Not G'raha, because he's yet to complete his 2nd growth arc. Not Estinien, because his growth has only just begun.

That left, in my mind, either Urianger or Alisaie, and my bets were on Urianger pulling some sort of big sacrifice so we could do something.

Seeing all of them "die" left me with this weird hole in my chest. It was sad, and I cried, because I knew that obviously while they were going to live, it had to have been a painful experience. But... The resulting happy ending felt unearned. Everything's fine, I guess? No one's dead, I guess? All the scions are gucci? Well.. okay... It's a happy ending and all but... it felt meh.

[Vahlnir]

I'm of the idea that character deaths aren't needed for impact, and needless character death is shitty writing. However, I was expecting at least one death, and I'd been expecting it to be one of the major Archons. Not Alphinaud, as he's yet to fulfill his character growth arc (He's almost there, just not quite), AND he represents what the main character in a typical RPG would be. Not Y'shtola, because for all her fakeouts I think there's still a need for her (And she's the marketing face of the game, It'd be like killing Harry Potter and leaving him for dead). Not Thancred, because he still has responsibilities to take care of. Not G'raha, because he's yet to complete his 2nd growth arc. Not Estinien, because his growth has only just begun.

That left, in my mind, either Urianger or Alisaie, and my bets were on Urianger pulling some sort of big sacrifice so we could do something.

Seeing all of them "die" left me with this weird hole in my chest. It was sad, and I cried, because I knew that obviously while they were going to live, it had to have been a painful experience. But... The resulting happy ending felt unearned. Everything's fine, I guess? No one's dead, I guess? All the scions are gucci? Well.. okay... It's a happy ending and all but... it felt meh.

Yeah. They aren't needed for impact, I just think that they need to actually be impactful when they do occur. This game's writers just seem to struggle with that, in my opinion. I felt the exact same way about that bit at the end of Endwalker, too. Just kind of...underwhelmed by that entire sequence when it was done.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I'm of the idea that character deaths aren't needed for impact, and needless character death is shitty writing. However, I was expecting at least one death, and I'd been expecting it to be one of the major Archons. Not Alphinaud, as he's yet to fulfill his character growth arc (He's almost there, just not quite), AND he represents what the main character in a typical RPG would be. Not Y'shtola, because for all her fakeouts I think there's still a need for her (And she's the marketing face of the game, It'd be like killing Harry Potter and leaving him for dead). Not Thancred, because he still has responsibilities to take care of. Not G'raha, because he's yet to complete his 2nd growth arc. Not Estinien, because his growth has only just begun.

That left, in my mind, either Urianger or Alisaie, and my bets were on Urianger pulling some sort of big sacrifice so we could do something.

Seeing all of them "die" left me with this weird hole in my chest. It was sad, and I cried, because I knew that obviously while they were going to live, it had to have been a painful experience. But... The resulting happy ending felt unearned. Everything's fine, I guess? No one's dead, I guess? All the scions are gucci? Well.. okay... It's a happy ending and all but... it felt meh.

Im curious how people think theres still a need for yshtola. What need is that exactly? Because she quite literally contributed nothing to this expansion whatsoever. You could take her out of it and nothing would change.The only thing she did was the ultima thule sequence and even that could technically be done without her.

Hot take: Yshtola is bland and boring now and seems to only still be around so they can sell their $1000 dolls and merchandise with her since shes eyecandy.

[Seiori]

Im curious how people think theres still a need for yshtola. What need is that exactly? Because she quite literally contributed nothing to this expansion whatsoever. You could take her out of it and nothing would change.The only thing she did was the ultima thule sequence and even that could technically be done without her.

Well Yshtola is the mascot of FFXIV honestly she does not have to anything if she wants could just be there for fanfare alone lol. I guess its one of the things you have to get use to if your not a fan of the character, she has a large fan base and racks in the revenue.

[Conundrum]

Well Yshtola is the mascot of FFXIV honestly she does not have to anything if she wants could just be there for fanfare alone lol. I guess its one of the things you have to get use to if your not a fan of the character, she has a large fan base and racks in the revenue.

Japanese Waifu is safer than the WoL.

[MilkieTea]

Im curious how people think theres still a need for yshtola. What need is that exactly? Because she quite literally contributed nothing to this expansion whatsoever. You could take her out of it and nothing would change.The only thing she did was the ultima thule sequence and even that could technically be done without her.

Hot take: Yshtola is bland and boring now and seems to only still be around so they can sell their $1000 dolls and merchandise with her since shes eyecandy.

She fulfills the need for a researcher in the group.. Arguably, this could just be filled by G'raha, however his specialty is in Allagan technologies, and he would ultimately be useless when it comes to other subjects. And while Krile could feasibly fill this role as well, she lacks the strength and magical ability to fight.

[KizuyaKatogami]

She fulfills the need for a researcher in the group.. Arguably, this could just be filled by G'raha, however his specialty is in Allagan technologies, and he would ultimately be useless when it comes to other subjects. And while Krile could feasibly fill this role as well, she lacks the strength and magical ability to fight.

Except in this expansion when we needed a researcher it was urianger graha and krile who actually found things, all yshtola did was read books lol

[MilkieTea]

Except in this expansion when we needed a researcher it was urianger graha and krile who actually found things, all yshtola did was read books lol

Except, and hear me out on this: There are always expansions where certain characters take a backseat for other characters to have their growth and development arcs. Y'shtola, as one of many main characters, does not need to always 100% of the time fulfill all the needs as required by her role.

If you've ever read stories with revolving "Points of View", you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Perfect example of this would be Rick Riordan's "The Kane Chronicles." Of the two main characters, one fulfills the role of the researcher and the other fulfills the role of the fighter. However, given that they are fleshed out characters able to both do and "not-do" things related to their specific character, there are times where one main character may not 100% fulfill all needs as required by his role, and the other may need to step up and fill that herself. There are also points where one main character is absent for quite a while, but this does not mean they are not needed in the end.