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    Hot Takes... Yugiri is more " Waifuh " material then Y'shtola is " Mommy " material. ( /slap Y'shtola ) in-fact? Y'shlata is like the Scion with the worst personality out of all the Scions. In-fact? Imma go as far as to say that a mage of Y'shlula's caliber somehow embodies being useless more in Endwalker then Tataru embodying being as useful as she could be.

    Yes I said it...
    PS: I am just wanting a certain someone from Discord to read this and flip out on VC
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelestiCer View Post
    Hot Takes... Yugiri is more " Waifuh " material then Y'shtola is " Mommy " material. ( /slap Y'shtola ) in-fact? Y'shlata is like the Scion with the worst personality out of all the Scions. In-fact? Imma go as far as to say that a mage of Y'shlula's caliber somehow embodies being useless more in Endwalker then Tataru embodying being as useful as she could be.

    Yes I said it...
    PS: I am just wanting a certain someone from Discord to read this and flip out on VC
    Y'shtola is basically the resident Ice Queen everybody is obsessed with for some reason despite her only personality being "cold and distant." She has basically been the one Scion I feel like my WoL would constantly argue with, and the only times I have felt like I've seen personality from her are when she's with Runar, and the goofiness in 6.1. Like seriously, it's sad that those have been the ONLY times I've seen actual personality from her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Y'shtola is basically the resident Ice Queen everybody is obsessed with for some reason despite her only personality being "cold and distant." She has basically been the one Scion I feel like my WoL would constantly argue with, and the only times I have felt like I've seen personality from her are when she's with Runar, and the goofiness in 6.1. Like seriously, it's sad that those have been the ONLY times I've seen actual personality from her.
    Y'shtola annoyed me from the beginning with her arguing with the Admiral about how Limsa started the aggression against the beast tribes. Okay, they did. And what exactly? What do you want them to do now? Just give up and let the primals kill everything? And she made a point to call her out on it a number of times when we're sitting there trying to plan something. I get why they did it, but it fell flat for me.

    I don't mind her as much anymore, they seem to be trying to make her not just the cold, distant, genius anymore, well, at least a little bit less so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Y'shtola is basically the resident Ice Queen everybody is obsessed with for some reason despite her only personality being "cold and distant." She has basically been the one Scion I feel like my WoL would constantly argue with, and the only times I have felt like I've seen personality from her are when she's with Runar, and the goofiness in 6.1. Like seriously, it's sad that those have been the ONLY times I've seen actual personality from her.
    Actually, Y'shtola is easier to relate to if you think of her as a cat. All her personality traits mirror what you'd expect from a talking feline. It's why she's so popular, especially in Japan.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Actually, Y'shtola is easier to relate to if you think of her as a cat. All her personality traits mirror what you'd expect from a talking feline. It's why she's so popular, especially in Japan.
    ...which may be why I dislike her so much.
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    I love how dry she is, personally, but I understand why she's divisive on the other hand, if you don't connect with that. Having played ARR again recently, she had a little fire and an almost aggressive impatience for what she considered nonsense back then (remember when she snapped at Wheiskaet during the Company of Heroes quests -- saying what we were all feeling lol), something she hasn't really hung onto in subsequent expansions. But it doesn't help that her current English v/a often gives kind of a wooden performance (no shade to her; I've heard her give great performances in other games and even in this one, as other NPC's and bosses like Titania, so I assume she's making a choice for Shtola that just doesn't always work for me).

    That said, I agree that she gets boring when the writers treat her as nothing more than an avatar of exposition, which is more often than not the case. But I'm glad she's been given a little more levity recently.
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    FFXIV villain department was always weak. Zenos needed EW to realize he actually wants the same thing he always wanted? A tough fight... just like in SB.

    Even there he was badly used. We loose twice against him and not even once is even the thought about a strategy to counter him or his powers laid out. No, we just have to level up & get better gear! Really weak.

    All other villains are all "redeemed". You killed half the universe? It's ok. Have a cookie.


    The worst moment of MSQ was that fanfic.org-original-character moment when Sahi & Amon have a talk. Inside another realm of existence basically, they also had the same Ascian inside them and... blah blah blah #iam14andthisisdeep

    The twin's dad bumping his fist on the table was pretty high up too. That whole conflict was so forced.
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    Will put you on ignore if you can't form a logical argument but argue nonetheless

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    There's nothing 'edgy' about expecting Venat to be held accountable for acts of deliberate genocide instead of having it be praised as a 'grim necessity' despite it turning out that the Sundered only exist precisely because the Ancients were unceremoniously subject to genocide and racial replacement in what has to be one of the most convoluted threads of reasoning in a story to date.

    The protagonists of the game would never accept Venat's logic being applied to their loved ones, thus there's no reason for anybody else to do so either.

    Most of the complaint's regarding Endwalker's story are deceptively framed as something completely different to what is actually being stated.

    It's particularly unfortunate because it's very easy to go back through the years and see that quite a lot of the more vocal complaints about Endwalker's narrative and lack of consistency comes from people who not only cared deeply about the story and characters but repeatedly provided sources for what they were discussing and often pointing out how often the game stated one thing in a particular quest only to throw it aside elsewhere the moment that it became inconvenient to hold the protagonists to the same standards as the opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    There's nothing 'edgy' about expecting Venat to be held accountable for acts of deliberate genocide instead of having it be praised as a 'grim necessity' *snip*
    Yeah... i mean the way the went WAS the edgy route.

    I just hope 7.0 has a good story. Less anime tropes (power of friendship and the like), no more fake deaths (if you dont kill anyone off just dont fake it), characters with depth (maybe even people that aren't heroes for the sake of being heroes! But then again people seem to hate those characters sadly) and better writing. The last one might need a miracle since most quests (since ARR at least) are horribly written.
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    Hot take: The entire argument about Endwalker has gotten boring. Both sides ever more rapidly jumping to personal insults just makes it even duller.
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