Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

[Soge01]

if anything.., story wise. the rogues gained some Job/Class intermingling with Ninjas at some point.., it's even more so obvious when you've done such Job quests.
[Kinda Similar to how monks are treated at a certain point..,]

But in either case.., it doesn't take much to do some swings he is more than capable of..,

But asides that, he really is held back..,[Or maybe not]
<but the fact we don't know how frequently he Replenishes.., he's a master DD like combatant. or The rest of the Scions got some made multitasking than we can normally see..,>

I thought the whole Ninja and Rogue inter mingling thing happened very recently.

Yup! He showed off his swinging skills as both a Gladiator and Rogue. Particularly as a Rogue in Heavenward, if you think about it. He used a rather one handed blade in conjunction with his usual old smaller arm. He was quite the arm strength and it kind of annoys me we never got weapon with his HW cash shop outfit. :'<

As a fighter, he's pretty much great on his own. Its just the aether thing required for his weapon that's suprisingly never been confronted or dealt with. I think in Shadowbringers, it was Ryne and Y'shtola that were Thancred's primary aether dealer. Then in Endwalker, Urianger took over that role as well as becoming his traveling partner so he could keep giving Thancred the aether doses he needs for his gunblade.

I don't recall if it was ever addressed, but if it was, I guess it's technically a hot take(?): we should've healed Thancred and Y'shtola when we remade their bodies using a mix of aether and dynamis. Both their handicaps are caused by aether, but I doubt the damage was such that it affected even their soul.

I think the damage is just both physical and corporal damage. And it might extend to their souls? Souls are made of corporal aether, but I'm guessing there's second layer of aether surrounding the soul that acts as the internal fuel for their bodies. In Shadowbringers, it was pointed out that the Scions were nothing but souls with aether acting as their "new" bodies, thus making them solid, instead of being invisible and intangible ghosts like Ardbert.

I can only guess that the reason why the WoL didn't fixed their handicaps when they brought them back with Azem's crystal was because the WoL summoned them back as they most recently remembered them, damaged aether, eyes and all. Plus, I kind of wouldn't trust the WoL with restoring Thancred's ability to manipulate aether and Y'shtola's eyesight. Remember, WoL's the same person that created the Eden version of the ARR primals who look almost nothing like their ARR counterparts. So, I can't imagine how much they'd screw up Thancred and Y'shtola if they tried to fix their handicaps with aether and dynamis. xD

[BRVV]

I don't recall if it was ever addressed, but if it was, I guess it's technically a hot take(?): we should've healed Thancred and Y'shtola when we remade their bodies using a mix of aether and dynamis. Both their handicaps are caused by aether, but I doubt the damage was such that it affected even their soul.

We can create piggies to help people affected by light aether and help a zone create matter out of nowhere but we apparently never think about healing our disabled friends. Wheelchair guy comes to mind aswell.

[GTK0HLK]

He was actually a Rogue, not a Ninja.

if anything.., story wise. the rogues gained some Job/Class intermingling with Ninjas at some point.., it's even more so obvious when you've done such Job quests.
[Kinda Similar to how monks are treated at a certain point..,]

But in either case.., it doesn't take much to do some swings he is more than capable of..,

But asides that, he really is held back..,[Or maybe not]
<but the fact we don't know how frequently he Replenishes.., he's a master DD like combatant. or The rest of the Scions got some made multitasking than we can normally see..,>

[Jkap_Goat]

Rogue should have never merged with Ninja, it should have remained Thief. FFXIV Devs did a iconic job, THF wrong

[Turnintino]

Rogue should have never merged with Ninja, it should have remained Thief. FFXIV Devs did a iconic job, THF wrong

Fr tho. I don't hate NIN, I got it to 90, but I was so into the ROG fantasy up to that point, I couldn't help but be disappointed when it took the left turn that it did.

That said, I won't pretend I have any ideas for how they could've stretched ROG into a hypothetical THF direction that wouldn't have functionally resembled NIN anyway, and I have to assume the devs didn't know either lol.

[BRVV]

Fr tho. I don't hate NIN, I got it to 90, but I was so into the ROG fantasy up to that point, I couldn't help but be disappointed when it took the left turn that it did.

That said, I won't pretend I have any ideas for how they could've stretched ROG into a hypothetical THF direction that wouldn't have functionally resembled NIN anyway, and I have to assume the devs didn't know either lol.

Thief Lv 50 Jobquest: The big heist at the Sultana's place
Objective: Get them coins!

[Turnintino]

Thief Lv 50 Jobquest: The big heist at the Sultana's place
Objective: Get them coins!

Oh, hell yeah, the narrative possibilities for their job quests are limitless. That was a big part of my FOMO once I had to graduate to Ninja, that I wasn't getting anymore of that flavor -- but I could just imagine the possibilities.

Gameplay-wise, though, I assume THF would have been just as combo-oriented and backstabby as NIN. Never say never, of course, but at least from that perspective, I understand why the devs had to pick only one or the other. I just wish it had been THF, if only for the fantasy.

That said, I know there are plenty of Ninja-lovers out there, so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Mimilu]

Gameplay-wise, though, I assume THF would have been just as combo-oriented and backstabby as NIN. Never say never, of course, but at least from that perspective, I understand why the devs had to pick only one or the other. I just wish it had been THF, if only for the fantasy.

I like how Guild Wars 2 made their Thief's Steal ability steal an "item" from the target the thief could then use as a weapon or ability and different races/species and enemies had different items you could steal. ｡ﾟ✶ฺ.ヽ(*´∀`*)ﾉ.✶ฺﾟ｡

[VeyaAkemi]

Rogue should have never merged with Ninja, it should have remained Thief. FFXIV Devs did a iconic job, THF wrong

But... Rogue/Thief has always upgraded into Ninja? you literally cannot get more classic and iconic than that, FFI Thief upgrades into Ninja, FFT Ninja requires a high level in Thief, FFTA Ninja requires 2 Thief abilities, and these are just the examples that come to mind, this is the iconic path for the Job and XIV did it right.

[ty_taurus]

But... Rogue/Thief has always upgraded into Ninja? you literally cannot get more classic and iconic than that, FFI Thief upgrades into Ninja, FFT Ninja requires a high level in Thief, FFTA Ninja requires 2 Thief abilities, and these are just the examples that come to mind, this is the iconic path for the Job and XIV did it right.

Personally, I think it would've been pretty cool if, to keep with the Final Fantasy tradition, having Thief be a job back during ARR that Rogue turns into. Thief has been avoided due to affiliations with crime and morality unbefitting of a Warrior of Light, and I can respect that mindset to a point, but I do think they could easily have spun the Thief job to be about espionage--like spies for Uldah who infiltrate and sabotage the corrupted wealthy who use their resources to avoid the law. Meanwhile, Ninja could've been added as a physical ranged job using a shuriken like with Yuffie rather than daggers. There's overlap in those identities, but Thief could've been spun about being more utility with an information gathering focus in contrast to the status as guards and assassins that Doma's shinobi embody.