Suggestion for improved DRK survivability in dungeons

[Shurrikhan]

Honestly, at that point simply giving a healing component (200 pot) to Flood of Shadow would accomplish the exact same thing.

This.

That certain skills must (or need not) be what houses this capacity or that has been a curious point of contention of late. Despite all 'drain' skills in this game since Shadowbringer(?) actually being MP-syphons, it's taken as calamitous if somehow a shadow-looking skill or a Blood spender ends up providing that sustain instead of a skill with "Drain" in its name.

We literally house a semi-separately-sentient shadow monster / Shadow consciousness inside of us, but feeding it first (+MP) via drain skills and ourselves (+HP) then through shadowy spenders is blasphemous?

[BlackLion3173]

Personally, I wouldn't mind getting a minimum 400 potency heal to Bloodspiller and Quietus. I also wouldn't mind if we changed TBN to 25 seconds, remove the mana cost, and give us some way to lower the CD like how Warrior's Fel Cleaves/Primal Rend lowers the CD on their infuriate. It would be better than the unmend to plunge CD reduction.

[Navnav]

Honestly, at that point simply giving a healing component (200 pot) to Flood of Shadow would accomplish the exact same thing.

Wow, I haven't been playing this game any longer than ShB and don't even really play DRK, but even i know they are NOT the same thing. Doesn't Flood do quite a bit more potency than AD? So wouldn't you be swapping a lot more damage for more survivability? Doesn't that seem like good design? Or do we just make points that we don't think through, just to say something...

[Zairava]

Wow, I haven't been playing this game any longer than ShB and don't even really play DRK, but even i know they are NOT the same thing. Doesn't Flood do quite a bit more potency than AD? So wouldn't you be swapping a lot more damage for more survivability? Doesn't that seem like good design? Or do we just make points that we don't think through, just to say something...

no, it's only a 10 potency difference. Flood got nerfed in Endwalker

[Deceptus]

Wow, I haven't been playing this game any longer than ShB and don't even really play DRK, but even i know they are NOT the same thing. Doesn't Flood do quite a bit more potency than AD? So wouldn't you be swapping a lot more damage for more survivability? Doesn't that seem like good design? Or do we just make points that we don't think through, just to say something...

The irony . . .

It's generally a decent idea to not speak if you have no idea what you're talking about.

[einwol]

The biggest problem with DRK is a large amount of the mitigation is on the back end of the leveling.

Should get TBN a LOT earlier. Call it "The Black Night" 10-15% shield, upgrades to The Blackest Night later

Oblivation should be acquired a LOT earlier, like lvl 30. Get that 2nd charge later.

Stalwart soul needs to arrive a LOT earlier as well. The 2nd part of their aoe combo shouldn't be at level freaking 72. This has the added effect of giving back mana in aoe, something lacking in early game. Every other tank gets their second at lvl 40. Why the huge discrepancy?

Combine Dark Mind and Dark Missionary into a single ability that simply targets all party members, balance accordingly.

When TBN Pops it should immediately bring Abyssal Drain off CD. This allows for a TBN > AD > TBN for dungeon trash. Every 25s you can do one of each.

This is one of the best suggestions for DRK. Please do this SE

[The_User]

That make 1 TBN=free potency from AD provide that it no longer share recast time with CaS. If they still share recast time and TBN reset CaS recast time as well that would mean free 4 CaS.

[Tulzscha]

Just make Abyssal Drain cost 3k mana and have no CD. It will do absolutely nothing for 8-mans and allow people to spam healing on trash packs.

This is my favorite idea here. Simple and effective.

Put spikes on everything so DRK can be the spikiest tank.

Shadow Wall? Spikes.

Dark Mind? More spikes.

Dark Missionary? Spikes on everybody.

Blood Weapon? HP draining spikes.

Oblation? Would you believe me if I said more spikes? What about spikes of the MP draining variety to encourage more Edge/Flood of Darkness usage?

Abyssal Drain? Turn it back into a GCD so we can lob more spikes.

I just want to see spikes don't judge me .

That could be neat; Warrior heals through damage, DRK could be more about dealing dmg through defense. Double down on TBN's design. With more defense to back it up ofc. Could have something like an ability that reflects a fixed amount of dmg from each incoming attack so it's not very effective on big hits but very useful for groups of small enemies.

[FoxCh40s]

Or you guys could play another job? Might help. It's been made clear that Dark Knight is exactly where they want it.

[Shurrikhan]

That make 1 TBN=free potency from AD provide that it no longer share recast time with CaS. If they still share recast time and TBN reset CaS recast time as well that would mean free 4 CaS.

The latter can be easily fixed by just adding a brief buff period after proccing DA during which your next AD will ignore its CD, rather than refreshing its CD.

Technically, that would be a bit more powerful, as it wouldn't waste what time had already been spent charging and better allow AD's (admittedly undertuned) AoE damage to sync up with raid buffs (if that were ever really relevant), but that's all that'd be needed to deal with that technicality.

The former is a bit trickier, as it'd require the DA also to be spendable on that AD instead, and probably for that buff to end the moment you spend your DA.

Or you guys could play another job? Might help. It's been made clear that Dark Knight is exactly where they want it.

I really didn't need to waste those 5 seconds to confirm via Lodestone that you hadn't leveled DRK (and probably won't), did I? Alas... /shrug