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  1. #51
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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rika007 View Post
    The only person doing ban worthy comments is you honey. We get it. You have literally no belief at all in the dev team. They've failed you. Which in all honesty, good, more people need to have this attitude and just hold to it and abandon the job entirely (or the game). People that hold the devs accountable for changes they don't like (or the lack there of) are needed.

    But you know what is also still needed? Actual feedback. We have no clue if the devs ever will listen about this. Doesn't stop us from giving it. Stop trolling others who want to have a legitimate discussion when the only people you really want to rant to is Yoshi-p's receptionist.
    Fox is talking about the forum bans that happened largely back during ARR and Heavensward. The XIV forum has very few number crunching theorycrafters around anymore because Square would ban anyone doing actual math on their boards. They're being hyperbolic for effect, but it's not without precedent.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rika007 View Post
    It's funny, I've been told that almost exactly word for word three times before by other people in other situations. Once when I was giving feedback on reverting the addition of cast times to Bard, once when I posted feedback on genderlocking Viera, and once when I was giving feedback on Bard losing it's support identity.

    And all of that happened... Funny.
    I think the primary difference is that the majority of those examples were universally panned while WHM is currently divided.
    ^ that. WHM is one of the worst designed jobs in the game, but it's still got a rabidly loyal Sylphie fanbase. I already quit playing it at the end of Stormblood. Didn't help. I've offered criticism, both constructive and sarcastic. No change. And here we are again, back to the world of late Heavensward/Early Stormblood, where healer "balance" means WHM is worse than its competition in basically every way, and this state of affairs is totally okay to the Squeenix balancing team, because the only time healers need emergency fixing is when WHM is actually good at something, and their competition needs overbuffing to compensate.
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  2. #52
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    Hyperia's Avatar
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    Aileen Pureheart
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Fox is talking about the forum bans that happened largely back during ARR and Heavensward. The XIV forum has very few number crunching theorycrafters around anymore because Square would ban anyone doing actual math on their boards. They're being hyperbolic for effect, but it's not without precedent.






    ^ that. WHM is one of the worst designed jobs in the game, but it's still got a rabidly loyal Sylphie fanbase. I already quit playing it at the end of Stormblood. Didn't help. I've offered criticism, both constructive and sarcastic. No change. And here we are again, back to the world of late Heavensward/Early Stormblood, where healer "balance" means WHM is worse than its competition in basically every way, and this state of affairs is totally okay to the Squeenix balancing team, because the only time healers need emergency fixing is when WHM is actually good at something, and their competition needs overbuffing to compensate.
    As a WHM main, I am hoping for love but in order to prevent heartbreak, I am making this prediction.

    SGE gets several healing boosts, possibly a dps boost as well.
    AST and SCH get significant heal boosts with some good dps boosts
    WHM does not get anything as they need more data and review. Possibly some buffs in 6.4 with a “rework” in 7.0 that makes WHM look like it was in Shadowbringers.
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  3. #53
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    FoxCh40s's Avatar
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    Source Eldion
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    What you guys really don't understand, is they just aren't going to rework healers. They've stated that the Healers being what they are is totally intended. They are actively wanting the role to be this way; it's not about being unrealistic, this is 6 years of being completely ignored, dropping an information bomb on us in the Shadowbringers Live Letter, SKIPPING THE SLIDE, then when called out on it, totally refuted it and just moved on without explaining anything.

    People kept goal post moving, and here we are AGAIN, hoping for a rework that ISNT going to come. It just won't, it is all working as intended. Hence why, they've told us, "Many other jobs exist in the game, if a particular job or role is not to your liking, there a plenty other in the game that might peak your interest."

    So me saying, play another role, is just repeating information they have given us in a official capacity to our questions and criticism of Healers.

    I'm SO sorry that all of you think that if you hold out hope, it will get better, but the fact that due to the player surge, and White Mage being the most popular healer job by far, means they aren't going to change anything; why would they put that much time and effort into something that is working for them? The fact is they don't have to care about the healer community, as there are plenty of other extremely new healers in the backround waiting to fill our shoes. So let them, as the Veteran healer community, it is explicitly not our job to maintain the skill level and overall healthiness of the role, it's theirs, and they've stated it's working as intended.
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  4. #54
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    What you guys really don't understand, is they just aren't going to rework healers. They've stated that the Healers being what they are is totally intended. They are actively wanting the role to be this way; it's not about being unrealistic, this is 6 years of being completely ignored, dropping an information bomb on us in the Shadowbringers Live Letter, SKIPPING THE SLIDE, then when called out on it, totally refuted it and just moved on without explaining anything.

    People kept goal post moving, and here we are AGAIN, hoping for a rework that ISNT going to come. It just won't, it is all working as intended. Hence why, they've told us, "Many other jobs exist in the game, if a particular job or role is not to your liking, there a plenty other in the game that might peak your interest."

    So me saying, play another role, is just repeating information they have given us in a official capacity to our questions and criticism of Healers.

    I'm SO sorry that all of you think that if you hold out hope, it will get better, but the fact that due to the player surge, and White Mage being the most popular healer job by far, means they aren't going to change anything; why would they put that much time and effort into something that is working for them? The fact is they don't have to care about the healer community, as there are plenty of other extremely new healers in the backround waiting to fill our shoes. So let them, as the Veteran healer community, it is explicitly not our job to maintain the skill level and overall healthiness of the role, it's theirs, and they've stated it's working as intended.
    I agree with you. It's just more fun posting ideas that will never come to fruition than actually play healers currently, especially WHM.
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  5. #55
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    I agree with you. It's just more fun posting ideas that will never come to fruition than actually play healers currently, especially WHM.
    I agree. It's weird, but even when I was a kid, I'd spend hours in a notebook reconcepting games I liked with my own takes on them. It's what got me into game design.
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