[AST]: A Healthier Card System

[Heilstos]

Heyho together,

I finally found the time to take a close look at Taurus idea. And try to give feedback from my point of view. In addition, we solve the element of chaos here with the help of the lore book.

First of all, the Elemental Chaos: You have to be careful when naming the elements, since EVERY card represents a specific element.


(Square Enix Books. „Section :THE DECK OF THE SEXITY (page 244). Encyclopaedia Eorzea ~The World of Final Fantasy XIV“. August 23, 2022)

So we have to be a little more careful here than the BLM are. What would help here is to take cards of the type Diunal and Nocturnal. All defensive cards become Nocturnal cards and all damage buffs become Diunal cards.

[The positiv aspect for the devs. is that they can use the tooltip ;-) ]

Lodestars and must be called something else!

My Idea is from the same Picture : Divine Duplicity. This has to be justified, since healing and damage amplification are taken into account here. See Power of the Twelve in the source.

The elementary rearrangement of the maps for lore reasons!

The existence of these melee and ranged cards is related to the interpretation of the cards. In your case it is an aggressive (dps push cards) and a defensive interpretation.



Here is an example from the addon Stormblood. Please do not pay attention to the effects of the cards!!!

How does it affect card effects?

Diurnal Card draw:

The Balance
The Arrow
The Spear

For the Cards I have some Ideas could be okay:

The Balance:



This is because this card is intended to represent pure damage. The fact that it is a fixed potency value should make it easier for the balance team to handle. Like your determination idea, but I'll get to that later....

The Arrow



In my opinion, this card is the strongest in the deck, whether it's a balance or an arrow. Because this not only improves damage, it can also increase healing for a healer!

The Spear



The idea is copied from Devilment. But I think a little sister of Devilment in the form of 5-10% should be in there.


I think that makes the deps push cards unique, but still interesting

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Nocturnal Card draw

The Bole
The Spire
The Ewer

The Bole



The idea of the bole not being as strong as a strong tank CD like Sentinel but flattening out should be factored into this card instead of the 10%

The Spire



I wouldn't do a HP+ plus alone because it feels like too little. So a healing up could be good aswell.

The Ewer



I wouldn't do a HoT alone because it feels like too little. But the twist that the HoTs become stronger (300 HP) could be cool and goes in the same way like Essential Dignity.

Importent all Cards give the Noc or Diu effects and yourself Divine Duplicity.

Minor Arcana

Minor Arcana is learned at 70. This becomes a instand GCD spell with a 600 MP cost that draws both the Lord and Lady of Crowns and generates 1 Divine Duplicity. It has a 60 second cooldown.

Crown Play is removed. Instead, the lord and lady replace specific actions on the hotbar.

The Lord of Crowns replaces Combust on the hotbar and acts as a GCD AoE attack. When played, it deals 400 potency for the first enemy that decreases by 60% for remaining enemies. It also applies your Combust DoT to all enemies. The DoT has 100% potency on the first enemy and 60% less potency on remaining enemies. It generates 1 Divine Duplicity. It costs 600 MP.
The Lady of Crowns replaces Helios on the hotbar and acts as an AoE heal. When played, it heals for 400 potency for yourself and all nearby party members while also Increases HP recovery via healing actions by 10%. It generates 1 Divine Duplicity. It costs 600 MP.

Lady and Lord of Crowns musst be the strongest cards in game and the Lady buff could be to good but its only an idea.^^

The other skills

Celestial River



Should learn at lvl 60 and be an OGCD. If these symbols are too difficult to work around, you can remove them. Importantly, the AST can have an AoE card for certain moments. No matter which deck (i.e. Diunal or Nocturnal). At least its a strong CD and I like the animation.


(here the animation)

Celestial Opposition

Should be stay as it is but give the timestop effect and learned at lvl 52.

Celestial Intersection

Need to be stay aswell because the compaire to Divine Benison. Short weaving healing tool. Taurus idee could to power up the P-DPS to much.


And what happend with Astrodyne

With lvl 50 lightspeed become Astrodyne per trait but no need seals anymore:



As you can see, the talent lightspeed has been added to Astrodyne. Instead of the current manareg you can also add a mana reduction, like in Stormblood times.

[inhaledcorn]

(snip)

Uh, so the problem with boosting Determination is that, as a stat, we don't exactly know what Determination does. We know Determination is supposed to increase damage/healing, but, since stat effects depend on your "tier" instead of it being a flat calculation, boosting Determination is a bad idea. Arrow should be "boost damage and healing by insert small amount here."

I would suggest for Ewer to be both regen and a barrier, just to make the card a bit more useful in general.

I'm not sure about Lord/Lady replacing buttons. Sure, I like the idea of Lady replacing Helios, but Lord replacing one of your damage spells, even if it's Combust, can make it difficult to get it in burst windows.

Also, what does Divine Duplicity do? I don't think it's mentioned anywhere. Also, while I like rolling Astrodyne into Lightspeed, have you come up with a way to help get all the seals and make sure we don't lose card uses?

[Heilstos]

Hey Inhaled,

Divine Duplicity is only the Lodestars from taurus Idea only in terms of lore bilding. So at least only a rename.^^

Lodestars: Certain spells grant you 1 Lodestar of which you can have up to 6. Under the effects of Celestial Intersection, spells and weaponskills cause 1 Lodestar to be consumed to perform an additional attack that is of the same potency as your current version of Malefic. This will effectively make these actions DPS neutral or DPS gains depending. This is something gained at level 30 along with your cards.

That is a thing to use healing bottons with dps lose. And for a lot of dps orientied healer is that important.

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Arrow should be "boost damage and healing by insert small amount here."

First Arrow should be a DPS push card, but if you make %-push buff we have the old balance problem form the pre ShB system. So det is good option because it is no so high scaled, but reinforce the player.

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would suggest for Ewer to be both regen and a barrier, just to make the card a bit more useful in general.

At first I thought your way, but I have to say that this card is just another version of Celestial Intersection. But a HoT at the basic idea of Essential Dignity is something different in my opinion. I think the only problem here is that HoTs have a fixed value. So the HoT has to be below 50% to have 300 HP all the time. This is a problem that SE has been grappling with for more than 10 years. So individual HoT ticks would be something new. However, I think it's too difficult to implement.

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I'm not sure about Lord/Lady replacing buttons. Sure, I like the idea of Lady replacing Helios, but Lord replacing one of your damage spells, even if it's Combust, can make it difficult to get it in burst windows.

Lord is only a AoE combast in his idea. For content like dungeons, it's a cool thing. When raiding HC, it will mostly not matter if you do it or not. Because you have in most times one boss. It is important that after Taurus idea Lady and Lord has no rng.

Her is inportant, that Lady and Lord are instants talents and give Divine Duplicity or like taurus calls them Lodestars.
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Why doesn't Astrodyne need seals anymore?

This is because each card has a special effect. If all cards do the same thing, you have to give them permission. Those are just the abbreviations for Astrodyne in the current system. According to the Taurus idea, you always have a defensive (utility) and an aggressive (dps push) card. And that's a good solution in my opinion.

[MintnHoney]

(Square Enix Books. „Section :THE DECK OF THE SEXITY (page 244). Encyclopaedia Eorzea ~The World of Final Fantasy XIV“. August 23, 2022)

Now that's what I'm talking about. Why don't we have access to a full deck of sixty?!
Even if they never touch the Major Arcana, if they just gave us the missing 52 cards as options, while imposing a hard limit for Minor Arcana choices, all the years of strife and 3rd class citizenship would be forgiven, in my eyes.
edit: And then make each suite of cards do better based upon our substats; i.e., one suite performs better if we have more DET, one suite performs better if we have more PIE...

[Heilstos]

Hey Aylin,

that could be a idea but some substats are not com. friendly like tenessity or Skill/Spell speed. Some People can be sacard to be trolled. So I understand the idea of utility cards and dps push cards and det is only Compromise to push dmg, but not in a hardccore way like the old balance. Dont forget that Divination is still a thing in taurus plan.

Even if they never touch the Major Arcana, if they just gave us the missing 52 cards as options, while imposing a hard limit for Minor Arcana choices, all the years of strife and 3rd class citizenship would be forgiven, in my eyes.

The only Card that is no taken from the "high" or face cards is the knave of crowns. I don't know what to use the knave of cowns for either. So this is a balances decision. I wouldn't go for the small cards either, since they're just a weaker version of the face cards when laid out in combat. This is dealt with in the subchapter entitled "Arcana as entertament" on the same page. Here, "Hide the High Herz", "Knights and Knaves", "Louis Louis" and the "the whispering Pillow" are discussed exactly. But I don't have any more spoilers, if you want to find out more about it, you should get the book. =)

[Shurrikhan]

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One quick note:

Having Balance deal additional potency per spell/weaponskill will naturally be... rather horribly imbalanced, as it will be affected by:

• Target's traits. All healers and casters would naturally 30% more effect from this. All physical ranged dps would naturally get 20% more effect from this. Melee and tanks would have no such bonus, thus largely wasting it.
• The target's persistent buffs. Most notable among these, given the traits already at play, is BLM's persistent 20% damage buff from Enochian, providing them with 56% more damage per Fires of Hell proc than would be available to a NIN.
• The target's attack speed. This is most significant on Monk, but still worth relatively little. Even a GCD of 2.49, if the effect started at the perfect time, could get in 7 procs over its duration. It'd take a GCD of 1.87s or less to get in 9 procs over the duration, which would still only be 29% greater effect. BLM would still natively outperform that by a further 21%.
• The target's short-term buffs. The strongest of these is No Mercy, but that'd still be a waste. In practice, this would at best merely get a Monk to potentially rival the usage available to non-BLM casters.

Worse, it removes any value to/from mini-bursts. oGCDs would be utterly unaffected. That, too, means further target selection imbalance as different jobs owe more of their damage to oGCDs than do others. (In practice, it just makes this effect even more reliant on a BLM get its full value.)

All of these problems could be avoided by just giving the target X% more damage instead, since then you're working from completed frames of reference around which jobs have each been balanced (or, at least the DPS have). Short of that, it will be very, very difficult to balance its throughput against that of Balance (a 10% damage and healing bonus) or Spear (a ~2.5 to ~5% damage and healing bonus) for both BLMs (1.56x value per Hells of Fire proc) at one end and, say, Dragoons (only 1.1x value) on the other.

[Heilstos]

Hey Tani,

I was aware that this balance card is difficult to handle and therefore gave a lot of room for speculation. Since the balance team can do a lot on this map there. The stats of the Astro itself can be taken as a bonus, or really of the target, although this can be reduced from 1.56 (BLM) to 1.1 (DRG) with a smaller number of Hell of Fire stacks. At best, the values of the card can have a fixed non-percentage value or depend on the astro.
This Balance should deliberately go against OGCDs, which does not guarantee a percentage increase. Also one of the reasons why the balance was so popular.
It was important for me to take Bunshin as a basis and about a pure push of 5%. In the form of a skill that improves a value X for a limited number of hits.

That was the main thinking of the Balance Idea I made. An I belive i. e. everone can 3 Spells/Wap. skills in 15s out, or?

[Shurrikhan]

And I believe everyone can do 3 Spells/Weaponskills in 15s, or?

In a true 15 seconds? Generally 7 spells/weaponskills.

Having zero extra Skill Speed / Spell Speed is almost impossible; at least one piece will give it to you. Let's go ahead and call it, then... a 2.48 GCD.

15/2.48 = 6.05 GCDs. That is greater than 6 GCDs. So long as no GCDs are clipped and no spells longer than the GCD length are casted, that will net you 7 spells or weaponskills. (Granted, to get 7 spells, the buff would have to arrive just before you complete the GCD-length spell's cast, while to get 7 weaponskills, it'd have to arrive just before you use the weaponskill.)

I was aware that this balance card is difficult to handle and therefore gave a lot of room for speculation. Since the balance team can do a lot on this map there. The stats of the Astro itself can be taken as a bonus, or really of the target, although this can be reduced from 1.56 (BLM) to 1.1 (DRG) with a smaller number of Hell of Fire stacks. At best, the values of the card can have a fixed non-percentage value or depend on the astro.

That's still an unnecessary complication. There is no need to assign different buff values to each job, let alone based them further on the AST's stats (which would have no effect on this target-selection imbalance anyways), if you just use the same frame of reference around which the jobs are balanced instead of specifically selecting a factor by which certain jobs would be more benefitted than others. The only thing possibly wrong with just using a 10% damage (or Determination / damage+healing) buff instead is that you already did that for Arrow.

As such, just change one or the other to a different means of throughput that'd have less target-selection bias, such as by causing it instead to increase GCD- and casting-speed and non-GCD damage specifically (the old Arrow effect, but slightly buffed for reduced target-selection bias). And with that, you're good, and one of the cards is now more interesting for having a palpable gameplay effect, instead of just requiring that you have a BLM in your group for AST to have its full rDPS.