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  1. #11
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    Tlamila's Avatar
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    Ainslie Tinley
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    Paladin Lv 90
    I do think that making them the same xp would reverse the problem.
    But I also think that the current situation is heavily imbalanced.

    So not equalize them but have them be more proportionate. As it is now, Castrum is about 30-40% of a level, while Prae is about 80-100%. Make Catsrum give less than Prae but still a decent amount, say 60-70%? More than a levelling roulette anyway, since levelling roulette gives more and takes less time and effort.
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  2. #12
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Don't queue for MSQ roulette. Problem solved.

    The "half the party leaves if it's Castrum" is also an exaggeration. I rarely see anyone leave Castrum, and only once have I seen more than 2 leave. Out of those occasions, there was only one time where the party hadn't refilled by the time we cleared the trash going to the first boss.
    I usually see at least one or two people leave and if I don't its usually because I'm backfilling which 99% of the time when I get castrum its a backfill lol. Most of the time it seems to always be a tank or healer that leaves castrum.
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  3. #13
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    I usually see at least one or two people leave and if I don't its usually because I'm backfilling which 99% of the time when I get castrum its a backfill lol. Most of the time it seems to always be a tank or healer that leaves castrum.
    Maybe it's a problem with entitled players on your data center then. I do not see the same happening on Crystal.

    It also doesn't matter what role leaves. You don't need 2 tanks and 2 healers in there. Most of the time the second tank never bothers to use their tank stance, making them worse than useless because they're nothing more than a DPS dealing minimal damage. Same for the second healer that half the time is just standing around doing nothing because the first healer has things covered but they refuse to DPS because they're a healer.

    Again, solution is don't queue for MSQ roulette if you don't like getting Castrum because there's a 50% chance that's where you'll end up (or 50% chance for Praetorium for those players who hate Praetorium). Stick to other roulettes or direct queue for a dungeon your own level.

    Hopefully the Castrum/Praetorium reworks are in progress as YoshiP has hinted the last couple of years and people will get their wish - rewards will be equalized for the two because there will no need for a MSQ roulette and so no rewards at all. Let Castrum and Praetorium be a player's first taste of squadron/Trust content - it would actually be a good lead in for introducing players to squadrons.
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  4. #14
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    Padudu Moro
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Maybe it's a problem with entitled players on your data center then. I do not see the same happening on Crystal.

    It also doesn't matter what role leaves. You don't need 2 tanks and 2 healers in there. Most of the time the second tank never bothers to use their tank stance, making them worse than useless because they're nothing more than a DPS dealing minimal damage. Same for the second healer that half the time is just standing around doing nothing because the first healer has things covered but they refuse to DPS because they're a healer.

    Again, solution is don't queue for MSQ roulette if you don't like getting Castrum because there's a 50% chance that's where you'll end up (or 50% chance for Praetorium for those players who hate Praetorium). Stick to other roulettes or direct queue for a dungeon your own level.

    Hopefully the Castrum/Praetorium reworks are in progress as YoshiP has hinted the last couple of years and people will get their wish - rewards will be equalized for the two because there will no need for a MSQ roulette and so no rewards at all. Let Castrum and Praetorium be a player's first taste of squadron/Trust content - it would actually be a good lead in for introducing players to squadrons.
    No same thing definitely happens on crystal lol. I've gotten Castrum at least 4 times the last two weeks, at least 5 people always leave. Same thing happens to my FC members.
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  5. #15
    Player Padudu's Avatar
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    Padudu Moro
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    Also, I think saying "don't que for MSQ if you don't like Castrum" is just a moot point. I'm pretty sure OP and a couple other people on here, myself included, don't mind Castrum. We mind the people that instantly ditch the dang dungeon. Most people don't browse on the forums and won't read "just don't que!" or don't care anyways. I'd rather Castrum get a boost in exp or something to make people actually want to go through it
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  6. #16
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    Dusk Himmel
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    if people want to take a 30 minute penalty on a 20 minute duty let them waste there time.

    only change msq roulette need is a rework into a solo duty.
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    Sheriff Mclawdog
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Nope, taking a 30 min lockout and trying to get castrum would take longer than simply doing prae. Xp needs to be the exact same. Castrum gives pathetic xp and has a lot of short cutscenes giving you no time to do anything. Prae while long let’s you watch shows, play other games and get a lot of xp at the same time.
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  8. #18
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    Jain Farstrider
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    They can't equalize the exp. That solves nothing.

    What they need to do is remove MSQ roulette entirely. Make the dungeon a trust dungeon. Change the MSQ to show the player approaching the zone with the Scions. Have the player run it with them. It would take some rewriting.
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  9. #19
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    Jain Farstrider
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    if people want to take a 30 minute penalty on a 20 minute duty let them waste there time.

    only change msq roulette need is a rework into a solo duty.
    Keep in mind, no one is taking a 30 minute penalty. Yes, they can't queue. But they can do FATEs, sidequests, daily beast tribes, hunts, craft, etc. Or they are cleaning the house, walking the dog, making coffee, doing laundry, etc.
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  10. #20
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    Jain Farstrider
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    Leviathan
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    I posted this on another thread, but I think it applies:

    Simple solution for people abandoning Castrum:

    Mark it as "reward already received" for leaving any roulette.

    Problem solved. You get what you get. Either take your Castrum exp, or leave it.
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