Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[Frizze]

No no, I wrote it confusingly. The mentor whm's exact words were "-I don't even have provoke." I have absolutely no idea why they thought it was directed at them lol. I only said anything because I realized it was the tank in our party with the provoke habit.

That cant be right. That would mean that a mentor actually gave correct information. Unless they were dual-boxing, then they could still be answering for the tank and therefore wrong.

[MonsterHugger]

Had a very fast expert roulette run as a sage with a WAR/ SMN/ DNC. It went so well and everyone played perfectly in their rotations and used their healing that.... I barely needed to heal... maybe once or twice. Even that was overkill though.
Then I got depressed because I was basically an unneeded healer role. I had to waste addersgall on purpose just to get MP back... and this is without using my more stronger abilities like Pneuma or Haima. It was quite disappointing. All I did was press Dosis-Dosis-Dosis-Dosis or Dykrasia-Dykrasia-Dykrasia-Dykrasia with the occasional Phlegma until everything died because everyone was perfectly healthy without my assistance. A painful 10-15 minutes of feeling like I wasn't needed in the duty and was holding people back as a healer.

"PLEASE take damage, I am begging you - wait, no, not THAT much damage" The SGE struggle.

WAR barely needs a healer at all. I've seen some Expert Roulettes done with WAR and 3 DPS.

[Doc_Seraph]

anytime I am "Kupo" and pulling mobs the wrong way always brings a lol kupo <3 because as tank I will simply state at the start of the duty "I am a tad under some influence lol" its fun times though kupo ^_^

[Vhanja]

Most of my random duty finders have been only positive experiences, but we did come across one of those guys... a DPS who ran all over the dungeon pulling mobs. I, as a Healer, was young and confused and I followed him, which ended up with both of us dying.

My reaction to this was to apologize to the party. The DPS' reaction was to continue to Leroy Jenkins the dungeon. The other guys tried to tell him it was the tank's call which mobs to pull, which made him reply sourly: "Well. I'll just stop helping, then!"

I have to admit, I was a bit shocked. Never before, or again, have I met a DPS with that kind of attitude.

[Laphicet]

Most of my random duty finders have been only positive experiences, but we did come across one of those guys... a DPS who ran all over the dungeon pulling mobs. I, as a Healer, was young and confused and I followed him, which ended up with both of us dying.

My reaction to this was to apologize to the party. The DPS' reaction was to continue to Leroy Jenkins the dungeon. The other guys tried to tell him it was the tank's call which mobs to pull, which made him reply sourly: "Well. I'll just stop helping, then!"

I have to admit, I was a bit shocked. Never before, or again, have I met a DPS with that kind of attitude.

Tank was in the wrong there, dungeons are piss easy and you should be pulling at least two packs at all times. What actually happened there was the tank was being a brat and refusing to do THE SINGLE AOE it takes to pull that mob aggro back and then let both you and the DPS die so they could stroke their ego about it, probably. Which is why the DPS got so belligerent like that since the tank was refusing to do their job and hold aggro.

[Avatre]

Tank was in the wrong there, dungeons are piss easy and you should be pulling at least two packs at all times. What actually happened there was the tank was being a brat and refusing to do THE SINGLE AOE it takes to pull that mob aggro back and then let both you and the DPS die so they could stroke their ego about it, probably. Which is why the DPS got so belligerent like that since the tank was refusing to do their job and hold aggro.

It also depends on what dungeon it is, and what the DPS are. Low level dungeons not all DPS have an AoE, so it can take much, much, longer for the pack to die, with the healer ending up burning through all their kit(especially an inexperienced healer) and the tank burning through their CDs before even half the pack is dealt with. Not saying it's impossible, but since there as no specifying of what dungeon/levels it was for, it could be that the tank was doing it smart based on that.

I do agree that in the higher levels, basically anytime after all DPS have at least 1 AoE, it should be at minimum 2 packs at a time.

[Lium]

Most of my random duty finders have been only positive experiences, but we did come across one of those guys... a DPS who ran all over the dungeon pulling mobs. I, as a Healer, was young and confused and I followed him, which ended up with both of us dying.

My reaction to this was to apologize to the party. The DPS' reaction was to continue to Leroy Jenkins the dungeon. The other guys tried to tell him it was the tank's call which mobs to pull, which made him reply sourly: "Well. I'll just stop helping, then!"

I have to admit, I was a bit shocked. Never before, or again, have I met a DPS with that kind of attitude.

Oh, man. You just opened up a can of worms with this post. On the forums, it is the consensus that it's okay for the DPS to run around the entire dungeon and YOLO pull everything and should not be responsible for pulling said mobs back to the tank. Just look at the first response you got.

Thankfully, as you saw, the in-game attitude is quite different. The vast majority of your dungeon runs will be positive experiences, but every now and then, you'll get a group with a wierdo, like the DPS you encountered here. As a healer, you were in the right. I would just say stick by the tank. Leave the DPS to their own devices. Death is a great teacher. (I have WHM, AST and SGE at 90)

[ArchlordPie]

Oh, man. You just opened up a can of worms with this post. On the forums, it is the consensus that it's okay for the DPS to run around the entire dungeon and YOLO pull everything and should not be responsible for pulling said mobs back to the tank. Just look at the first response you got.

Thankfully, as you saw, the in-game attitude is quite different. The vast majority of your dungeon runs will be positive experiences, but every now and then, you'll get a group with a wierdo, like the DPS you encountered here. As a healer, you were in the right. I would just say stick by the tank. Leave the DPS to their own devices. Death is a great teacher. (I have WHM, AST and SGE at 90)

Pretty much this.

If I'm rouletting as a non-DPS and the group has a DPS who's Leeroying, I typically defer to whatever the other non-DPS wants. If I'm healer and the tank is ignoring the mobs the DPS pulled, I ignore the DPS and let the mobs kill them. If the tank pulls the mobs off the DPS, well, the mobs are on the tank now anyway so I'm healing the tank, and will most likely let the DPS sit at sub-50% health until the pull's over then toss them a regen or something between pulls. If I'm the tank, I'll ignore the fact that additional mobs got pulled unless 1) the DPS pulls them into my AoEs, in which case I naturally get aggro anyway and it's whatever, or 2) the healer starts devoting GCD heals to keeping the DPS alive. In that latter case, the DPS isn't going to learn their lesson anyway, so I may as well make the healer's life easier.

If I'm a DPS in expert roulette, everything's getting pulled and I'm parking on top of the tank until they establish aggro. I'm BiS and know my class (lul SMN main lul), so even if my co-DPS is a potato and both the tank and healer are minimum ilevel, the double pulls are still going to die well before the tank and healer run out of resources.

The only exception to me pulling for a slow tank is certain leveling dungeons. You can outright get stat-checked if you pull too much in some cases, and there are far more that are technically survivable but only if your whole group is coordinated and on point, and that's not happening in leveling roulette.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Leroy Jenkins-DPS

No context was given regarding which dungeon specifically and why the DPS would’ve run ahead everytime. I.e. Is the tank not sprinting? Is the tank keep falling behind? Is the tank single pulling all the time? Is it dungeon with dangerous mob like Bardam, or is it the complete opposite like Matoya’s Relict? And so on…

But setting that aside, it is indeed rare to find any player in any role to verbally respond sourly like that. Mostly people just stayed silent even when they do run ahead… and it’s not a big deal most of time, really. You probably shouldn’t apologize there though, it really wasn’t your fault

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Going back to topic.. got Skalla from 50-80 roulette as a WAR. Queued together with my RDM friend. Our random matches were SGE & RPR. The latter is definitely a freshly unlocked RPR. Meanwhile the SGE… has abnormally lower HP than my RDM friend. About 5k lower. I examined their gear to find out their top piece…. the i130 Augmented Ironwork???? A few other pieces are also lower than even the SGE’s starter gears.

People, how do you manage to do this??? I ask, behind my monitor.

Needless to say, they hardly contribute. Whole pulls are spent to E.Diagnosis me that only healed me for like 2k+shield per shot as my character probably scoffed with Raw Intuition greatly outhealing their efforts. I saw a few DoT coming out in bosses but mostly are overwritten and instead of casting Dosis, they just sit next to the bosses spamming Dyskrasia.

As expected, they also died horribly in 3rd boss, my RDM friend was literally out of mana ressing them. They could not read the non-telegraphed attacks and their gear was definitely not helping them. At 30% left I just told my friend in the LS chat to ignore and just focus downing the boss.

My comm goes to the fresh RPR who actually presses buttons and know what they’re doing.

[Kolsykol]

Most of my random duty finders have been only positive experiences, but we did come across one of those guys... a DPS who ran all over the dungeon pulling mobs. I, as a Healer, was young and confused and I followed him, which ended up with both of us dying.

My reaction to this was to apologize to the party. The DPS' reaction was to continue to Leroy Jenkins the dungeon. The other guys tried to tell him it was the tank's call which mobs to pull, which made him reply sourly: "Well. I'll just stop helping, then!"

I have to admit, I was a bit shocked. Never before, or again, have I met a DPS with that kind of attitude.

If DPS does this and I am Tanking and it's clearly not a mistake I usually tell them to stop and if they continue doing it I'll just leave.
Ain't gonna entertain people trying to justify it on the forums, I mean it's valid to kick people for '' differences in gameplay style '' so it's okay to leave too people can have fun waiting for a new Tank then.

Especially since I do pull fast and it still happens I get people who intentionally do everything to pull ahead or pull more than we're capable of.
In the end of the day as the Tank I am in a better position to judge what me and the Healer can handle and often times when it happens the DPS aren't even paying attention to people going AFK.

People going on about egos and Tanks being brats etc is just ridiculous, the ones with actual ego problems and being bratty in this situation imo is the DPS running around pulling even when the Healer died because of what they did and people tell them to stop.
Like people are so ultra critical of Tanks but then they're going out of their way to be frustrating to play with.
People are so forgiving of the DPS tho.