Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[VictorSpoils]

P12 is not a real duty

[Cincierta]

Just experienced a pretty painful levelling roulette.

Team was:
Me: Ninja - new to the job and still learning my way around it
Friend: Scholar - new to the job and healing, still learning
Sprout playing Pugilist - appeared to be a genuine new player, and possibly a Xbox newbie as didn't participate in the chat at any point
Paladin Tank Mentor (with the Dragonsong Reprise Ultimate weapon)

We got The Tam-Tara Deepcroft - not difficult per-se... except the Tank kept doing massive pulls. First attempt - we wipe due to being overwhelmed by the huge pull. I request the Tank slows down a little and explain that the Healer is new to healing and the Pugilist appears to be new in general
No response, and tank charges off again, and does the same thing again. The team wipes again.
I again ask the Tank to cool it a little. No reply. We wipe again due to being overwhelmed.
Tank proceeds to blame us ("Ninja and Pugilist are too far behind"). Felt like pointing out that AOE options at that level were pretty much none but figured there was little point as Tank clearly didn't care. Healer points out that they can't keep up with healing us through such big pulls. No response.
We go again, with the tank again demonstrating no interest in changing his behaviour - we just about survive SuperTank's behaviour and finish the instance.
Tank says GG. No-one replies.

So-called Mentors like that are such a bore.

Fun fact if the mentor in question is reading this: PUG/MNK gets aoes the earliest at 26, caster/ranged gets theirs at 15ish, and healers get their aoes at 45. Everyone else gets theirs at 35-40. Only tanks have a singular aoe at lvl 6 or lvl 10. Having a DSR weapon means absolutely nothing at this point as there's a good chance it was PayPal'ed.

Tam-Tara is an 18-cap dungeon, so if the melee had the level, they would not be able to use it due to level sync. Level sync. LEVEL SYNC. That thing that brings your level down as if you could not get over that baby gate due to it being too high.

Large pulls can be done, but there has to be at least one ranged dps in the party to actually do it, otherwise you're just gonna have a slog of a time. At that point where the mentor was blaming the rest of the party I would just have called the mentor an idiot at not realizing what jobs have what at x level. Personally I would've just simply waited out loot timers and booted them if they were going to act like that.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]

Tam tara wall pull is dependent on the healer & the tank more than anything. All the healer needs to do is to make sure they -sprint- together with the tank. Any of their heals are roughly a ‘Benediction’ every GCD. This only becomes an issue if the healer lags behind (happens to inexperienced player who rarely take account of sprint’s existence) and the tank doesn’t have enough to bail themselves long enough until the healer catches up.

Ranged/AoE from DPS are a nice addition but they’re not needed. Tanks are putting out more collective damage than red DPSes in these situations it’s always a gain to pull this off… if the healer is up for the game. I always do this when I tank but only because I will kite the mobs in circle & packing some leftover potions from my last PotD ventures to sustain myself long enough until even a non-sprinting healer can catch up.

[Carin-Eri]

Tam tara wall pull is dependent on the healer & the tank more than anything. All the healer needs to do is to make sure they -sprint- together with the tank. Any of their heals are roughly a ‘Benediction’ every GCD. This only becomes an issue if the healer lags behind (happens to inexperienced player who rarely take account of sprint’s existence) and the tank doesn’t have enough to bail themselves long enough until the healer catches up.

Ranged/AoE from DPS are a nice addition but they’re not needed. Tanks are putting out more collective damage than red DPSes in these situations it’s always a gain to pull this off… if the healer is up for the game. I always do this when I tank but only because I will kite the mobs in circle & packing some leftover potions from my last PotD ventures to sustain myself long enough until even a non-sprinting healer can catch up.

As noted though, our Healer was new to both Scholar and healing in general (I did recommend they try WHM first but she loves the book/fairy aesthetic).
We ran levelling as a means to practice more than anything - we were never going to get anything too heavy as, when we queued, she was level 31 and I was 39. She did really well to be fair to her - the pigheaded tank aside, she also (as noted) had a new, inexperienced, sprout (probably an Xbox player) to keep an eye on.

Looking at this through the eyes of experience doesn't really help in a situation such as the one I encountered.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

So-called Mentors like that are such a bore.

Welcome to Burger King Mentor restaurant, what's your order ?

To be frank, I just happened to ran into a healer doing pull instead of letting the tank doing it. The tank was quite new to his job too. Please let people who don't know their job the time to adapt and learn ! Not everyone come in FFXIV with knowing EXACTLY what role has to do what. Please be patient with new player ffs.

To get back at you Carin, those people are clown full of themselves without the brain for self improvment. Sorry for what happened to you inside this dungeon, people need to know that patience is a virtue.

[Nononu]

it's official - i can no longer accurately tell where to pre-position myself for cagnazzo's overhead bubbles. i have wiped parties twice recently, because i go smoothbrain at that particular time. my issue is two fold - one, i did it fine week one, so i don't really know what my issue is /now/, and two, sometimes it's just... really hard to see where they are, i dunno. my camera only pulls back so far and they seem to be on just the edge of that.

sorry to the two parties, by the way. i'm having bad days and should probably just put down ffxiv for a while. i wanted one thing in my life to relax with, but alas, i can't even play well anymore (including forgetting to kardia a tank for like, half of prae) and it's not like the community welcomes me (don't worry, i wouldn't welcome me either).

i'm reminded of two instances i had when i was still baby in this game though. one was stone vigil, at the time a bane to tanks and healers both. i was leveling drk. to my healer who was desperately trying to keep me up in that run years ago: you did fine. i forgot tank stance *the entire dungeon*. the one wipe we suffered, and your constant oom state, was entirely on my shoulders. i could not contact you at the time to apologize. you'll likely never read this or remember, and i was on a mau ra at the time, but... yeah. (recently had a run, taking an alt mnk through, the poor sch healer... the pld was pulling really large, awkward pulls, AND chain pulling... we wiped once but we managed to get this insane pull down to only two mobs so at least it wasn't a futile wipe or anything, but other than that, the sch just... kept up and didn't complain, i would have been raging honestly, stone vigil hurts no matter what gear you have to this day, and i don't think anybody would have been able to handle that pull we wiped on. i tried to keep mantra up and aoe as much as i could but mnk aoe is bad at that level).

second was my first run through kugane castle as a whm. i was loving whm. i felt powerful. and i didn't know how to use lilies. i didn't want to. no, cure 2 spam had saved me up to that point, and i was going to continue to do that, come hell or high water. i was foolish. the tank was kind. stopped after every pull when i inevitably would go oom to wait for my mp. while i appreciate the kindness, i wish someone would have told me how good lilies were. i promise that poor tank (and the rest of the party) - i exclusively use them nowadays, and almost never use anything but tetra/bene/lilies in the dungeons where i have those resources anymore, i'm that comfortable with them now. eventually i learned, so that's good, i guess.

[Cincierta]

So decided to help out a sprout in the linkshell I'm in for Chrysalis. Ended up getting these two...specimens from Behemoth.

Light tan is poopy attitude war tank, dark brown is their poopy attitude co-queue'er dancer.







To the two from Behemoth that are in the same free company: You had the opportunity to leave after our first wipe, and you chose to stay. If you don't want to get Chrysalis, then...don't queue up for roulettes?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

As noted though[…]

Yeah, I hear you. I’m just clarifying the notion that wall pulling those lowbie dungeon doesn’t really necessitate the presence of ranged/DPSes with AoE as much as it does to having both tanks & healers who are ‘present’ & know what they’re doing. Healers are basically benediction bot via only 1 option to spam, moreso if you’re a SCH because Fairy’s constant Embrace cast which are overpowered in low levels. All that’s left is for them to not lag behind (since you wrote the tank calling out the DPS, I assume the healer did stick to the tank proper) . On the other hand, if packs are dying too slowly, the tanks will have to kite a little bit after their cooldown expires to slow down the auto attacks… which I was assuming that the tank didn’t attempt (my guess because I didn’t see this in your story).

Of course, it doesn’t help also since they behaved exactly how you described.

[Asari5]

msq roulette: the first shorter one

dont know what it is recently but i get a lot of really bad people in roulette. this time one of them was propably a troll.

one was a lancer (yes on lvl 50) the only skill he used was piercing talon (i think thats how the ranged skill is called in english?)
we kicked that one as soon as possible after the first boss.
but there was no search for a replacement.
it was the dancer who's got the lead and also he didnt use any aoe attacks. just the dancers basic 1 2 combo.

so i told him after one and a half more pulls if he could pls search for a replacement and also use aoe attacks.... he left without saying anything. i liked that because you cant kick two people.

then a player joined but left instantly, how nice.

then another two joined, both mentors. one of them wrote how its always msq dungeons and more bla bla... the first one only tskes 15min though... and this one was already halfway done, you cant really ask for more if youre an unsupportiv mentor

[Nononu]

50/60/70/80 roulette, tank in need, so i hop in on my main tank (gnb). whm returner, rpr, sprout blm watching cutscene. cool. i take it easy, everyone's doing a good job, we get through the first boss with no explanation other than me popping a 1 marker on the spears he summons and everyone follows and kills them. he goes down pretty quickly.

the blm stops in the next hallway after a few pulls to ask why we ignore the standards. everyone pauses, the reaper and i explain that it's just not worthwhile (no exp, high defense, high health, and all you have to do is pull the enemies out of the puddle so they aren't buffed anymore) and we go on. i find it cute such a question was asked, and so with that in mind, i do stop to explain the totem mechanic on the second boss. it was handled 100% perfectly, with the sprout blm helping to pick up the damage boosting ones along with the reaper when they were up.

final boss, i ask the healer if they know what to do with the doom, explain it when they say no, and it was handled wonderfully. they did go oom (and to be fair, it is a pretty big, early healer check - what with all the curing to dispel doom and the esuna'ing you have to do; he was maybe overusing cure 3, but not in a way that made me think he thought it was better than cure 2, because he never used it if only i was taking damage) and the blm, though he did get hit a few times by the massive cleave, did stack up on the boss's butt from then on and worked really hard to dodge. the idols are taken down quickly, as are the adds, otherwise the standards are ignored and we finish and i tell them they did a great job (because they did) and tell them to enjoy the rest of the game; the reaper thanks me for giving explanations and i thanked them for helping out too. walked out with 3 comms (and one of those instances where i wished i could give everyone one - i did end up giving mine to the blm) and a pleasant feeling of what the community used to be like.