Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[NekoMataMata]

I will run ahead every other pull but only if I'm a job that has Arms Length. I want to be able to put slow on the mobs and drag them back to the tank. That way the tank gets soloed mobs on every wall to wall and not every other wall to wall.

Bloodbath and arms length keeps me up while I'm help mitigation so it helps both the tanks and the healer.

I mean yeah, there's benefits to it. It's just more so that the friend/FC guest is literally telling our sprout tank in discord that DPS should not be allowed in front of tanks ever and that it's okay to shirk them or single target attack so all other mobs aggro the DPS/Healer in retaliation.

I don't want to air out my entire FC discord but I need someone to acknowledge that I'm not insane:
This was the person question giving advice the sprout earlier:


It actually goes on way longer than that but like I said, I don't want to air out the entire thing here cause it's a FC cord.

I'm not saying YPYT is good but it also isn't good to just let people do whatever random BS they want because they're impatient and selfish.

At the risk of sounding "both sides"-y, they're both bad behaviours and sprouts should be taught that instead of making them believe one thing or the other is more or less rude.

The disservice is that you are making the community sound uptight and arguemetive while also saying its normal and fine to rush through things to sprouts who may not grasp mmo roles and culture/unwritten rules.

YPYT is bad but so is acting outside of your role as your unexplained and unexpected movement and gameplay choices can cause those around you to mess up and slow down as well. The point of the game is to cooperate and you're discouraging this.

I am exhausted by the amount of people who think rushing on ahead will somehow magically speed people up. You getting your dualcast or other timed proc off means diddly squat if your healers have to heal your ass (or themselves) instead of DPS or when half the party hangs back instead of attack while waiting for the tank to waddle on over.

I'm not discouraging cooperation. I never told the sprout they had to wall to wall or that it was encouraged for DPS/Healers to run in front of the tank. I just pointed out that it happens, and that you should be okay with it. I pointed out that you shouldn't lose your mind over it(like you're doing right now).

[Denji]

I mean yeah, there's benefits to it. It's just more so that the friend/FC guest is literally telling our sprout tank in discord that DPS should not be allowed in front of tanks ever and that it's okay to shirk them or single target attack so all other mobs aggro the DPS/Healer in retaliation.

I don't want to air out my entire FC discord but I need someone to acknowledge that I'm not insane:
This was the person question giving advice the sprout earlier:


It actually goes on way longer than that but like I said, I don't want to air out the entire thing here cause it's a FC cord.



I'm not discouraging cooperation. I never told the sprout they had to wall to wall or that it was encouraged for DPS/Healers to run in front of the tank. I just pointed out that it happens, and that you should be okay with it. I pointed out that you shouldn't lose your mind over it(like you're doing right now). You either can't read, or you've got a few screws loose.

Screenshots of a personal nature like that aren't permitted even when censored iirc. Be careful.

[NekoMataMata]

Screenshots of a personal nature like that aren't permitted even when censored iirc. Be careful.

People have posted censored in-game screenshots/censored discord logs before.

From the rules:

* Personal information can be defined as any data that explicitly reveals the real–world identity of an individual, and can include the following: name, home address, age, birthday, telephone or cell phone number, e-mail address, etc. Personal information can also be consisted of a combination of information that can identify an individual.

Pretty sure it's fine.


Did you come here to be argumentative or what? You're not even responding to my points anymore, you're just dropping empty threats.

[Denji]

People have posted censored in-game screenshots/censored discord logs before.

From the rules:


Pretty sure it's fine.


Did you come here to be argumentative or what? You're not even responding to my points anymore, you're just dropping empty threats.

People have gotten in trouble in the past for simply posting screenshots of eureka botters and other chats and felt you should at least be warned (as in for safety, not rules lawyery). The "be careful" was meant to point out that I've seen it be an issue in the past and my lack of furter debate is not an objection nor is it me conceeding to your arguement.

I'm simply hesitant to further debate someone who feels the need to trot out discord logs like a twitter debate.

[Darkobra]

If a tank decides to shirk someone and can't adapt at a high level, they PROBABLY should stick to Trusts until they learn to play.

[NekoMataMata]

People have gotten in trouble in the past for simply posting screenshots of eureka botters and other chats and felt you should at least be warned (as in for safety, not rules lawyery). The "be careful" was meant to point out that I've seen it be an issue in the past and my lack of furter debate is not an objection nor is it me conceeding to your arguement.

I'm simply hesitant to further debate someone who feels the need to trot out discord logs like a twitter debate.

You're hesitant to debate because you outright put words into my mouth that were never there.

I don't know how to reiterate any better. I called someone out for teaching a sprout a YPYT attitude and telling them to shirk anyone that somehow gets ahead of them(or worse), BUT I never under any circumstances encouraged DPS/Healers to actively move ahead of the tank. I simply stated that it was okay if it happened and that the sprout tank shouldn't be so upset about it.

I don't know what your problem is or what I did to you for you to act like this. I can only assume you came here to be argumentative.

Edit: Removed any minor insults. You absolutely deserve them, but you're also most likely a bad actor attempting to bait out an angry response and I'm not giving that to you.

[Denji]

You're hesitant to debate because you outright put words into my mouth that were never there.

I don't know how to reiterate any better. I called someone out for teaching a sprout a YPYT attitude and telling them to shirk anyone that somehow gets ahead of them(or worse). I never under any circumstances encouraged DPS/Healers to actively move ahead of the tank. I simply stated that it was okay if it happened and that the sprout tank shouldn't be so upset about it.

I don't know what your problem is. I can only assume you came here to be argumentative. You tried to suggest it was both sides when there really wasn't two sides at fault. You're acting like an absolute manchild and I really hope you don't bring these issues with you into the game.

Alright fine.

Your screenshot exists only to dunk on the ypyt person and suggesting someone to talk first before reporting certain acts encourages them to bog down the report system. Additionally you put a new player's chat log up potentially without their permission to support a debate in a thread with complete strangers.

I will not take part in you trying to pin an oversized A on the front of someone whom you might not have even spoken to about this with and both YPYT and other acts won't improve if you don't speak up against them in-game and try to communicate first instead of aiming to dunk on folk or go scorched earth and report in-game.

It's weird that you take screenshots and post them publicly (potentially) without the other person's knowledge. Censored or not. Especially when nobody was debating that aspect.

[Renalt]

That sounds like a lousy tank. If someone pulls ahead of you be it accident or on purpose...take it back. That's your job. To be the damage sponge. Literally no one gets to die before me when I tank. I won't allow it. Even if they pull more than I can handle I WILL be taking that aggro back and die doing my job. Wipes will not happen because I REFUSE to do a job.

[Myrany]

The only tanks that really bother me are the ones that do not do their job.

I generally play a bard or machinist these days. As such I am thankfully very mobile while still doing damage. I have learned to keep an eye on the healer after a rather large number of tanks who do not pick up adds or mobs that go after the healer. When That happens I peel the mob off the healer and run it to the tank. If the tank does not take the aggro off me at that point I will just kite it around until I manage to kill it.

No excuse for a tank to not take aggro when something is beating on a healer. No excuse at all. It is happening sadly with frequency these days.

[Frizze]

I don't want to air out my entire FC discord but I need someone to acknowledge that I'm not insane:

Gonna ignore some replies here, and return to your point/question. No, you are not insane. That was bad advice.