Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[NekoMataMata]

Didn't happen in a duty, but a FC friend was teaching one of the sprout tanks in my FC that YPYT is correct. Pretty sure I upset a lot of people by stepping in and telling them that it's perfectly fine if a DPS or Healer runs ahead.

They tried to counter by saying that some people literally just sit at the wall waiting to run ahead, and I pointed out that while these people do suck, and they don't really help usually, you can't just switch to single target abilities to try to lose aggro on them.

[Denji]

Didn't happen in a duty, but a FC friend was teaching one of the sprout tanks in my FC that YPYT is correct. Pretty sure I upset a lot of people by stepping in and telling them that it's perfectly fine if a DPS or Healer runs ahead.

They tried to counter by saying that some people literally just sit at the wall waiting to run ahead, and I pointed out that while these people do suck, and they don't really help usually, you can't just switching to single target abilities to try to lose aggro on them.

You did your friend and that sprout a disservice.

[NekoMataMata]

You did your friend and that sprout a disservice.

Not my friend, just a friend of the FC. I don't see how it's a disservice. YPYT is against the rules, and teaching a sprout tank to shirk a DPS for running ahead of you or single target to let aggro fall off is poor behavior?

Are you actually defending YPYT behavior?

[Renalt]

Not my friend, just a friend of the FC. I don't see how it's a disservice. YPYT is against the rules, and teaching a sprout tank to shirk a DPS for running ahead of you or single target to let aggro fall off is poor behavior?

I will run ahead every other pull but only if I'm a job that has Arms Length. I want to be able to put slow on the mobs and drag them back to the tank. That way the tank gets soloed mobs on every wall to wall and not every other wall to wall.

Bloodbath and arms length keeps me up while I'm help mitigation so it helps both the tanks and the healer.

[NekoMataMata]

I will run ahead every other pull but only if I'm a job that has Arms Length. I want to be able to put slow on the mobs and drag them back to the tank. That way the tank gets soloed mobs on every wall to wall and not every other wall to wall.

Bloodbath and arms length keeps me up while I'm help mitigation so it helps both the tanks and the healer.

I mean yeah, there's benefits to it. It's just more so that the friend/FC guest is literally telling our sprout tank in discord that DPS should not be allowed in front of tanks ever and that it's okay to shirk them or single target attack so all other mobs aggro the DPS/Healer in retaliation.

I don't want to air out my entire FC discord but I need someone to acknowledge that I'm not insane:
This was the person question giving advice the sprout earlier:


It actually goes on way longer than that but like I said, I don't want to air out the entire thing here cause it's a FC cord.

I'm not saying YPYT is good but it also isn't good to just let people do whatever random BS they want because they're impatient and selfish.

At the risk of sounding "both sides"-y, they're both bad behaviours and sprouts should be taught that instead of making them believe one thing or the other is more or less rude.

The disservice is that you are making the community sound uptight and arguemetive while also saying its normal and fine to rush through things to sprouts who may not grasp mmo roles and culture/unwritten rules.

YPYT is bad but so is acting outside of your role as your unexplained and unexpected movement and gameplay choices can cause those around you to mess up and slow down as well. The point of the game is to cooperate and you're discouraging this.

I am exhausted by the amount of people who think rushing on ahead will somehow magically speed people up. You getting your dualcast or other timed proc off means diddly squat if your healers have to heal your ass (or themselves) instead of DPS or when half the party hangs back instead of attack while waiting for the tank to waddle on over.

I'm not discouraging cooperation. I never told the sprout they had to wall to wall or that it was encouraged for DPS/Healers to run in front of the tank. I just pointed out that it happens, and that you should be okay with it. I pointed out that you shouldn't lose your mind over it(like you're doing right now).

[Denji]

I'm not saying YPYT is good but it also isn't good to just let people do whatever random BS they want because they're impatient and selfish.

At the risk of sounding "both sides"-y, they're both bad behaviours and sprouts should be taught that instead of making them believe one thing or the other is more or less rude.

The disservice is that you are making the community sound uptight and arguemetive while also saying its normal and fine to rush through things to sprouts who may not grasp mmo roles and culture/unwritten rules.

YPYT is bad but so is acting outside of your role as your unexplained and unexpected movement and gameplay choices can cause those around you to mess up and slow down as well. The point of the game is to cooperate and you're discouraging this.

I am exhausted by the amount of people who think rushing on ahead will somehow magically speed people up. You getting your dualcast or other timed proc off means diddly squat if your healers have to heal your ass (or themselves) instead of DPS or when half the party hangs back instead of attack while waiting for the tank to waddle on over.

True speed is when you're all playing your roles and not when you're forcing people to improvise around your impatience and people need to get over themselves and realize they're not the only person playing.

[Remolia]

I'm not saying YPYT is good but it also isn't good to just let people do whatever random BS they want because they're impatient and selfish.

At the risk of sounding "both sides"-y, they're both bad behaviours and sprouts should be taught that instead of making them believe one thing or the other is more or less rude.

The disservice is that you are making the community sound uptight and arguemetive while also saying its normal and fine to rush through things to sprouts who may not grasp mmo roles and culture/unwritten rules.

YPYT is bad but so is acting outside of your role as your unexplained and unexpected movement and gameplay choices can cause those around you to mess up and slow down as well. The point of the game is to cooperate and you're discouraging this.

I am exhausted by the amount of people who think rushing on ahead will somehow magically speed people up. You getting your dualcast or other timed proc off means diddly squat if your healers have to heal your ass (or themselves) instead of DPS or when half the party hangs back instead of attack while waiting for the tank to waddle on over.

True speed is when you're all playing your roles and not when you're forcing people to improvise around your impatience and people need to get over themselves and realize they're not the only person playing.

YPYT is ToS violation. You can't just call it bad, its unsafe behavior, that leads you to penalty.

[Darkobra]

If a tank decides to shirk someone and can't adapt at a high level, they PROBABLY should stick to Trusts until they learn to play.

[Renalt]

That sounds like a lousy tank. If someone pulls ahead of you be it accident or on purpose...take it back. That's your job. To be the damage sponge. Literally no one gets to die before me when I tank. I won't allow it. Even if they pull more than I can handle I WILL be taking that aggro back and die doing my job. Wipes will not happen because I REFUSE to do a job.

[Myrany]

The only tanks that really bother me are the ones that do not do their job.

I generally play a bard or machinist these days. As such I am thankfully very mobile while still doing damage. I have learned to keep an eye on the healer after a rather large number of tanks who do not pick up adds or mobs that go after the healer. When That happens I peel the mob off the healer and run it to the tank. If the tank does not take the aggro off me at that point I will just kite it around until I manage to kill it.

No excuse for a tank to not take aggro when something is beating on a healer. No excuse at all. It is happening sadly with frequency these days.