Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[Silly_Rabbit]

Joined P5S devour/jump prog group. At start no macro/markers so i ask if lead can place marker/macro. Leader says he doesn't have them and just wing the mechs. I already got feeling where this will go but ok might be good group that doesn't need macro/markers. We get thru glow 1 just fine then comes the puddles i run to one on far side got joined by 2 other resulting in 2 puddles not absorbed so wipe inc.
Second pull again died to puddles. Leader says ok got markers and macro. Markers seem fine but macro seem off with M2 not assigned to any puddle, R1 soaking with tank i mention that but everyone is ok with it. Ok we start again. 1st Puddles up and i go to one of outer puddles 2 people already there so i ran to other outer puddle again 2 people there well rip. One person call me out that Ranged seems confused. Well of course i am confused why do melee soak outer puddle.
After 2 more pulls decided not worth it since we haven't got to devour/jumps a single time.

Joined kill party 5 min after since i felt confident in mech and cleared it in about 40 min.

[Carin-Eri]

Fell Court of Troia earlier - decent enough team, aside from the Red Mage. Didn't pull their weight, damage was medicore and the team wiped twice at Scarmiglione, partly due to the Red Mage's poor reaction to the mechanics. Red Mage apologised, saying that they were sadly aware that they were a burden to the team, and offerred to leave the instance in the hope that a competent player might replace them. Aside from one of the team replying "don't worry about it" there were no objections, so the Red Mage left.


And the Red Mage in question was me.

[Deveryn]

I was farming EX4 today. I eventually got my mount, but on one of the early runs I made a few too many jokes and lost track of setting things up. We went through the whole fight without realizing I forgot to set a dance partner

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Frontline roulette. Spamming it today for $h!ts and giggles.

I've came to witness a rarity (at least to myself) took place: a premade of GNB+DRK+DRG+WAR consistently decimating at least 6+ players from whichever side they picked to nuke, and I kept seeing them getting into same match as I did. It was such an amazing coordination they had (No it's not a sarcasm!) to pull it off almost consistently: DRK charges in to bait with their invuln and drawing in as much targets, then WAR stunning everything in vicinity, while the other two just nuke the rest to oblivion. I think I did managed to kill one of them (i think it was WAR or DRK) after correctly predicting their trick & catching them into my DNC LB. It was a tiiiny victory but hot damn ain't that was veeerrryyy satisfying! Sure it was all a losing matches on my side but I never had this much fun in FL ever!

I tried giving a heads up whichever side I got paired in but of course, considering this IS a frontline, I never expected it to be effective. Funnily enough there was one random who malded hard in the chat for seeing their teammate getting picked on every single time. I mean I get it, but I don't think there's enough reason to start malding though... :shrug:

[Rilifane]

Fell Court of Troia earlier - decent enough team, aside from the Red Mage. Didn't pull their weight, damage was medicore and the team wiped twice at Scarmiglione, partly due to the Red Mage's poor reaction to the mechanics. Red Mage apologised, saying that they were sadly aware that they were a burden to the team, and offerred to leave the instance in the hope that a competent player might replace them. Aside from one of the team replying "don't worry about it" there were no objections, so the Red Mage left.


And the Red Mage in question was me.

If I have learned one thing in DF, and also PF, it's that it's never just one person's fault and that if you hope for objections when you apologize and offer to leave you will get none.
The majority of people have absolutely no idea what's going on around them and even if something was their fault, they'll just reply with a generic "happens/ no worries/ it's okay" if someone else apologizes. I did it so many times when I was either unsure whether it was really my fault alone or when it was partly my fault but someone else's mistake played a role and I got pretty much always a generic form of "I forgive you" without them chiming in about their own mistake.

And as for the last boss in Troia: there is not a single mechanic where one player can wipe the party. None.
You get puddles and even if two people stack, they get both 2 stacks and zombie status is at 3. So unless the other person already ate something (=their mistake), they can't get zombie'd by you.
You will always have at least one wall to get knocked against unless everyone nuked a wall which would require the tank to deliberale ignore melee range and stand far outside.
The stack during add phase can easily be taken by 3 people, 2 if you push it and have some mitigation on the squishy.
For spread markers even squishies can survive two hits at once so unless you had 3 people (= someone else's mistake too) stacking with spread markers, it can't wipe you either.

Everything else can simply be healed through or worst case, one person dies and gets rezzed and you continue.
So no, it's simply impossible that you alone wiped the party twice.
You may have made mistakes but someone else also had to made mistake and/ or the healer and/ or tank reacted poorly to what was happening too. Because the dot from getting knocked into the wall can be healed, spread markers stacking can be healed, stack with less than 4 can be healed, healer can rezz you. And all 4 tanks have ways to protect/ heal a squishy if something goes wrong. It may not have been their mistake in the first place but it's still poor reaction to let things cause a wipe that can be salvaged.

[RocciaSolida]

My patience with the DF has been getting lower and lower over the years, I've now started quitting when I see wipes on stupid mechanics as I'm running the worthless roulettes (i.e. trials and normals raids).
It's so tiring to see the umpteenth burger king tank pointing tankbusters at the party killing four people

[Packetdancer]

For spread markers even squishies can survive two hits at once so unless you had 3 people (= someone else's mistake too) stacking with spread markers, it can't wipe you either.

While I won't argue with a lot of your post, I will actually note that a lot of us outgear casual endgame content -- sometimes dramatically -- and I think we do sometimes take that for granted and forget it is not universally true; I've been in Aglaia and been startled to see a co-healer who had literally 10k less health than me. Differences in health like that can be the difference between "I ate the mechanic and survived" and "don't mind me, I'll just tank the floor for a bit".

So if someone was in there with minimum ilevel gear, I can absolutely believe an overlapped spread marker would just turn them into paste on the floor, whether or not they were healed to full.

[Rilifane]

While I won't argue with a lot of your post, I will actually note that a lot of us outgear casual endgame content -- sometimes dramatically -- and I think we do sometimes take that for granted and forget it is not universally true; I've been in Aglaia and been startled to see a co-healer who had literally 10k less health than me. Differences in health like that can be the difference between "I ate the mechanic and survived" and "don't mind me, I'll just tank the floor for a bit".

So if someone was in there with minimum ilevel gear, I can absolutely believe an overlapped spread marker would just turn them into paste on the floor, whether or not they were healed to full.

Feel free to argue with everything you disagree with, no reason to hold back if you think something is wrong. That's what forums are for after all.

That said, I did the dungeon quite recently with fairly poor gear on this char. No fancy 600 from raiding. 580 with one 590 piece and I grabbed an accessory or two from the normal raid. That's not exactly overgeared, my friend chased me with the spread marker because he really can't resist doing it and I survived. Barely, admittedly, but I survived.
Two people can die from stacked spread markers but only if both people have fairly low ilvl, if no mitigation is up at all and if neither has a shield either. And seeing as they come in a phase where you don't have to squeeze into a tiny safe zone, it would require a bit of chasing to even happen. Which can happen thanks to the delay between what people do and see on their screen, we all had the classic "Stop chasing me! No YOU stop chasing me!" situation for sure.
But then again, that is not a single person's fault either and that was exactly my point: at the last boss in Troia, things have to be far worse than a single dps screwing up mechanics to wipe.

[Toutatis]

I once got put into a group of Role players who were RP walking into the Dusk Vigil...Ugh!

If you are going to do that sort of thing, please do not use Duty Finder. I have a lot of patience for first timers, the learning tank or healer but not that kind of bs.

It's so tiring to see the umpteenth burger king tank pointing tankbusters at the party killing four people

When I get those at lower level, I explain why they should turn the boss away instead of quitting. Usually, they are thankful for the tips. If you can’t tolerate tolerate mistakes and people learning their jobs, then don’t join the “worthless” levelling roulette as you call it.

However I got one of those tanks this past week in P4N while doing my book...he kept taunting and turning the boss towards the group. We’d move away or behind and he would follow. Wiped the raid. We explained things after the wipe and then it went ok. How he got to P4 without learning that is baffling nevertheless. It shouldn’t happen this far in the game, especially not with optional content as turning the boss away is the first thing one should learn when tanking.

[Merrigan]

Fell Court of Troia earlier - decent enough team, aside from the Red Mage. Didn't pull their weight, damage was medicore and the team wiped twice at Scarmiglione, partly due to the Red Mage's poor reaction to the mechanics. Red Mage apologised, saying that they were sadly aware that they were a burden to the team, and offerred to leave the instance in the hope that a competent player might replace them. Aside from one of the team replying "don't worry about it" there were no objections, so the Red Mage left.


And the Red Mage in question was me.

I've seen you come by here a few times, posting some pretty harsh messages about your own performance. I've never played with you, so I don't know how much of it is due to sheer exaggeration (listening to you, you're an extra mechanic all by yourself! )

That being said, two things:

- I can only speak from my own perspective, but I would never want a player who is doing their best to leave the group. Kicking and leaving is, for me, reserved for people who are really unpleasant and AFK people. And... I think many agree with me. We'll bitch sometimes behind our screen, but without particularly wanting you to leave, and without real venom. So don't give up your place so easily: explain, apologize if you feel it's necessary, but continue.

- Beware of self-flagellation. Another forumer has already elaborated before me, but if you have difficulties to manage the mechanics, then you are also part of those who don't have a global vision of the group... And of the origin of the damage that everyone takes. Being aware of your own shortcomings is one thing; taking responsibility for all the mistakes (when you have no idea) is another.

- One way to improve is to learn to prioritize mechanics. What are the ones that you must not take / miss at all costs? If you have to stop dps during this one, then stop dps, consolidate your understanding of those specific mechanics, and make sure you do them correctly.
For the others (the ones that do damage, but don't inflict OS): healers are there for that too. Dungeon content is usually a bit boring for a healer.... And honestly I like it when a player makes a mistake or two, it keeps me from falling asleep.