1 ultimate instead of 2 ?

[CaedemSanguis]

As someone who has cleared all 3 ultimates—no.

Longer fights does not equate to more challenging. There’s a difference between a fight having challenging mechanics and the artificial difficulty that mental fatigue over the course of a 30 minute fight would cause a player. UCoB being ~18 at release was already pushing it in terms of duration. I think ~15 minutes is more than enough of a gauntlet challenge for this type of content.



And your below statement is why people crap on raiders all the time. Not all of us are preoccupied with this so-called prestige in a video game. I don’t raid or clear Ultimates for bragging rights. I do the Ultimates for the fun and the challenge—and maybe I also just like the shiny weapons because they look cool. But I feel zero need to lord it over people. Get over yourself, please.


Though, I’m convinced this is just another thread designed to stir up the forums. Since it seems OP isn’t being completely transparent about their Ultimate participation.

your not doing it for the challenge if you think that a 30mn ultimates is just “boring difficulty”
one of the reason why ultimates are difficult is because they are no checkpoints between bosses, making a 24mn-27mn ultimate is the same thing, to a greater extent

If you say “24mn-27mn ultimate is boring” you can also say that a 15mn-18mn ultimate is “boring”

[HyoMinPark]

your not doing it for the challenge if you think that a 30mn ultimates is just “boring difficulty”
one of the reason why ultimates are difficult is because they are no checkpoints between bosses, making a 24mn-27mn ultimate is the same thing, to a greater extent

If you say “24mn-27mn ultimate is boring” you can also say that a 15mn-18mn ultimate is “boring”

You are completely missing what I’m saying. But I’d expect nothing less, if I’m being honest.

Making an Ultimate fight 30 minutes does not mean that it would be any harder than the current ones in terms of mechanical difficulty or DPS checks. All it means is that it would be more likely to mentally fatigue the person attempting it—which is artificial difficulty. Not actual difficulty.

You can have 15-18 minute fights that are challenging—as the current Ultimates suggest. There’s little reason to extend the time further than that. They’re already an endurance test with that duration and no checkpoint between bosses.

Tl;dr - longer fights =/= more difficult fights.

If anything, the precedent in this game suggests that shorter fights tend to have the higher difficulty. I’m thinking of P4S and how the door boss had a surprisingly tight damage check for Week 1 and 2 compared to phase 2. Exdeath in Deltascape was a sub-5 minute fight and his check was far tighter than Neo’s as well—and he was considered the harder of the two bosses.

I guess length really isn’t everything.