1 ultimate instead of 2 ?

[SaberMaxwell]

Oh I see. I apologize for reading more into your statement than was there; it looked like an appeal to authority post on its face.

[HyoMinPark]

What if instead of two ultimates which last 15mn each, SE make 1 ultimate which last 30mn

More difficult (equivalent of 2-3 usual ultimates)
More prestigious
Introducing "skill check" (imagine you have to do "tea", just after getting through Golden Bahamut)

As they have less work to do (30mn dragonsong ultimate < 15mn dragonsong ultimate + 15mn omega ultimate), they can also add better cutscenes/new design for bosses and arena/voice acting/etc

As someone who has cleared all 3 ultimates—no.

Longer fights does not equate to more challenging. There’s a difference between a fight having challenging mechanics and the artificial difficulty that mental fatigue over the course of a 30 minute fight would cause a player. UCoB being ~18 at release was already pushing it in terms of duration. I think ~15 minutes is more than enough of a gauntlet challenge for this type of content.

I assure you that the clear rate will significantly drop

less clear = more prestige

And your below statement is why people crap on raiders all the time. Not all of us are preoccupied with this so-called prestige in a video game. I don’t raid or clear Ultimates for bragging rights. I do the Ultimates for the fun and the challenge—and maybe I also just like the shiny weapons because they look cool. But I feel zero need to lord it over people. Get over yourself, please.


Though, I’m convinced this is just another thread designed to stir up the forums. Since it seems OP isn’t being completely transparent about their Ultimate participation.

[hfang]

Though, I’m convinced this is just another thread designed to stir up the forums. Since it seems OP isn’t being completely transparent about their Ultimate participation.

they have cleared all three apparently, but that comes off as even weirder to me than if they had never even stepped into any of these fights

[Hanayumi]

Yeah... kinda think there should at the very least be 2 Ults within an expansion. Somewhere in x.1 and x.3, mostly to make getting Bis more worth it cause youll be gearing up for Ults. Replacing hard earned gear every other patch and barely getting use out of them just doesnt feel all that great anymore. And the last set of Bis doesnt really need an ult as the gear at least carries over into next expansion until lv x5 or x6ish.

[Driavna]

And your below statement is why people crap on raiders all the time

People crap on others out of envy (or inferiority complex) most of the time if we are honest. Also, "flexing" is a very human thing to do even if some are more obnoxious( and obvious) compare to others. I don't think there is something wrong with that and at times arguments around "x devalue Y" are valid.

Anyway, supposedly average human attention span is 20m, considering that going above it is just a bad idea and I doubt FFXIV team will ever do it. Despite me not being happy with some design choices devs are really good at adapting their game to their player base reality.

[CaedemSanguis]

"Endurance" is difficult, sure. You can perform something skillfully, or you can endure a test over a longer time, both are "difficult" but theyre not the same and they don't offer the same sort of reward or sense of accomplishment.

there is a limit in execution difficulty for FF14
unless you make a mechanics with hundreads of patterns ?

[HyoMinPark]

they have cleared all three apparently, but that comes off as even weirder to me than if they had never even stepped into any of these fights

They have. Despite their posting of their profile and talk of no titles or weapons, you can find proof of the clears on another well-known third-party site.

However, their insistence that they haven’t cleared just lends credence to my assumption they’re just looking to stir the pot and not have a serious conversation. Why not be transparent otherwise?

People crap on others out of envy (or inferiority complex) most of the time if we are honest. Also, "flexing" is a very human thing to do even if some are more obnoxious( and obvious) compare to others. I don't think there is something wrong with that and at times arguments around "x devalue Y" are valid.

Anyway, supposedly average human attention span is 20m, considering that going above it is just a bad idea and I doubt FFXIV team will ever do it. Despite me not being happy with some design choices devs are really good at adapting their game to their player base reality.

Except the treatment a lot of raiders in this game comes from the mentality of prestige and wanting to lord their achievements over others—and it leads to a mountain of disrespect towards the group as a whole. Regardless of how down-to-earth a raider is being, they’re just lumped in with those who want to flex their virtual achievements and act like obnoxious individuals. There’s nothing wrong with being proud you accomplished something, but the arrogance is what turns a lot of people off and leads to the incredibly toxic behavior and environment. That’s the issue I have with statements about prestige. Aside from the fact that I think OP is not coming from a genuine standpoint here.

Human or not, it’s not an excuse to be a tool about it, in my opinion.

[CaedemSanguis]

As someone who has cleared all 3 ultimates—no.

Longer fights does not equate to more challenging. There’s a difference between a fight having challenging mechanics and the artificial difficulty that mental fatigue over the course of a 30 minute fight would cause a player. UCoB being ~18 at release was already pushing it in terms of duration. I think ~15 minutes is more than enough of a gauntlet challenge for this type of content.



And your below statement is why people crap on raiders all the time. Not all of us are preoccupied with this so-called prestige in a video game. I don’t raid or clear Ultimates for bragging rights. I do the Ultimates for the fun and the challenge—and maybe I also just like the shiny weapons because they look cool. But I feel zero need to lord it over people. Get over yourself, please.


Though, I’m convinced this is just another thread designed to stir up the forums. Since it seems OP isn’t being completely transparent about their Ultimate participation.

your not doing it for the challenge if you think that a 30mn ultimates is just “boring difficulty”
one of the reason why ultimates are difficult is because they are no checkpoints between bosses, making a 24mn-27mn ultimate is the same thing, to a greater extent

If you say “24mn-27mn ultimate is boring” you can also say that a 15mn-18mn ultimate is “boring”

[CaedemSanguis]

Yeah... kinda think there should at the very least be 2 Ults within an expansion. Somewhere in x.1 and x.3, mostly to make getting Bis more worth it cause youll be gearing up for Ults. Replacing hard earned gear every other patch and barely getting use out of them just doesnt feel all that great anymore. And the last set of Bis doesnt really need an ult as the gear at least carries over into next expansion until lv x5 or x6ish.

thats a good point

Having only one ultimate will make 2 out of 3 savage gear useless

[Commander_Justitia]

Even if not many do ultimates, it still has a massive value for advertisement and representation of their game on streaming websites etc.. It gets more clicks and binds viewer even from other games to FFXIV for some time.
Maybe that is the reason they don't wanna release sub standard quality ultimate mode and opted for just 1 to ensure they can deliver a good product. If they hand ultimates out like candy, they wouldn't make big news and become less special.