1 ultimate instead of 2 ?

[Stepjam]

Yeah... kinda think there should at the very least be 2 Ults within an expansion. Somewhere in x.1 and x.3, mostly to make getting Bis more worth it cause youll be gearing up for Ults. Replacing hard earned gear every other patch and barely getting use out of them just doesnt feel all that great anymore. And the last set of Bis doesnt really need an ult as the gear at least carries over into next expansion until lv x5 or x6ish.

That was the plan normally. Covid just threw a wrench into it for ShB, Dragonsong War was supposed to be 5.5. I hope they do 3 this expansion to "catch up", but somehow I doubt it.

[Commander_Justitia]

Dragonsong War was supposed to be 5.5. I hope they do 3 this expansion to "catch up", but somehow I doubt it.

UCoB-> Ultima - 8 months between releases
Ultima -> Tea - 17 months
Tea -> Dragonsong War - 27 months atm, still 2-3 months, if it is really 6.1

I guess you can be happy if you get 1 ultimate per addon at this rate. I doubt they work already on omega ultimate before they havent finished this next one, so you can add minimum another year, which brings you into the last patchcycle before new addon, when they are trying to finish the addon.

[Stepjam]

UCoB-> Ultima - 8 months between releases
Ultima -> Tea - 17 months
Tea -> Dragonsong War - 27 months atm, still 2-3 months, if it is really 6.1

I guess you can be happy if you get 1 ultimate per addon at this rate. I doubt they work already on omega ultimate before they havent finished this next one, so you can add minimum another year, which brings you into the last patchcycle before new addon, when they are trying to finish the addon.

It took long between ultima and TEA because they pushed the fight back one tier. Considering that was the second expac with ultimates at all AND they got shut down by a pandemic for half a year, I don't think we necessarily need to start being cynical yet. Honestly, I liked that they were gonna have the second ult be in 5.5 because that means that there was actually going to be something worth using that relic you've been grinding for a year on since normally it's basically just for amusement since the savage tier is a patch and a half old by the time you get it.

Edit: Oh, it wasn't actually pushed back a tier. I guess it was just a while between 4.4 and 5.1

[Commander_Justitia]

It took long between ultima and TEA because they pushed the fight back one tier. Considering that was the second expac with ultimates at all AND they got shut down by a pandemic for half a year, I don't think we necessarily need to start being cynical yet.

If I remember right, the reason was "player feedback", they argued players don't wanna have as many ultimates because they need more time to clear them. Which later changed into "we only have 1-2 devs capable in the industry of doing these ultra fights, so they don't have the capacity anymore".
They should just be honest and say 1 per addon then from now on, instead of telling raiders a 2nd might maybe come/maybe not - and get them all hyped and geared up in preparation, so they keep subbing to unlock the raidtiers etc. and then they get no content lol. It is a bit much ambiguity sometimes.

[Commander_Justitia]

Even if not many do ultimates, it still has a massive value for advertisement and representation of their game on streaming websites etc.. It gets more clicks and binds viewer even from other games to FFXIV for some time.
Maybe that is the reason they don't wanna release sub standard quality ultimate mode and opted for just 1 to ensure they can deliver a good product. If they hand ultimates out like candy, they wouldn't make big news and become less special.

[Stepjam]

Yeah, that would be too much. Quality over quantity you know. Part of the hardest part of progging ultimates is being able to consistently handle earlier mechanics to reach later ones, but if you had a 30 min fight, that means that later in prog, it would take an entire hour just to do 3 pulls which is a lot to ask. Roughly 15 minutes is already pretty long, so I don't see them going any longer.

[Hanayumi]

That was the plan normally. Covid just threw a wrench into it for ShB, Dragonsong War was supposed to be 5.5. I hope they do 3 this expansion to "catch up", but somehow I doubt it.

I believe they mentioned giving up on one Ult entirely, covid + couldnt get certain mechanics to work properly, or something of that sort. So Dragonsong War for sure with a very hard 'we'll see' for a second Ult.

[Stepjam]

I believe they mentioned giving up on one Ult entirely, covid + couldnt get certain mechanics to work properly, or something of that sort. So Dragonsong War for sure with a very hard 'we'll see' for a second Ult.

I think "giving one up" would mean we only get 2 this expansion and then 2 next expac meaning we will eternally be "behind" one ultimate.

[technole]

I think "giving one up" would mean we only get 2 this expansion and then 2 next expac meaning we will eternally be "behind" one ultimate.

Yeah, he hasn't committed to anything beyond Dragonsong Ultimate this expansion yet, but if I recall he mentioned they'd like they keep it at two. One for beginning and end of expansion.