1 ultimate instead of 2 ?

[Stepjam]

Yeah, that would be too much. Quality over quantity you know. Part of the hardest part of progging ultimates is being able to consistently handle earlier mechanics to reach later ones, but if you had a 30 min fight, that means that later in prog, it would take an entire hour just to do 3 pulls which is a lot to ask. Roughly 15 minutes is already pretty long, so I don't see them going any longer.

[Stepjam]

Yeah... kinda think there should at the very least be 2 Ults within an expansion. Somewhere in x.1 and x.3, mostly to make getting Bis more worth it cause youll be gearing up for Ults. Replacing hard earned gear every other patch and barely getting use out of them just doesnt feel all that great anymore. And the last set of Bis doesnt really need an ult as the gear at least carries over into next expansion until lv x5 or x6ish.

That was the plan normally. Covid just threw a wrench into it for ShB, Dragonsong War was supposed to be 5.5. I hope they do 3 this expansion to "catch up", but somehow I doubt it.

[CKNovel]

You are comparing 1-110 solo potd and ultimate fights ?

Yes I am.

Once you master P1 and P2 (and P3 in UWU cases), it's as boring as potd 1-110 or HoH 1-70.
Because you have to work your way up there once again, way you did dozens of times and know on the tip of your fingers by now.

Twintania and Nael are boring to get through when you get consistent.
Garuda, Ifrit and Titan are boring to get through when you get consistent.
Pepsi Man and BJ+CC are boring to get through when you get consistent.

And you want to double the initial boring phases, making it 10-15 minutes.
I don't want a boring content to say "I did it me strong man", I want a content for fun. TEA is my favorite because it's fun and I really want to experience it as a SGE.

[Hanayumi]

That was the plan normally. Covid just threw a wrench into it for ShB, Dragonsong War was supposed to be 5.5. I hope they do 3 this expansion to "catch up", but somehow I doubt it.

I believe they mentioned giving up on one Ult entirely, covid + couldnt get certain mechanics to work properly, or something of that sort. So Dragonsong War for sure with a very hard 'we'll see' for a second Ult.

[Desertstriker]

If ultimate goes 30 mns or 15 mns or less, it isnt harder then a 5 mns fight or even 1 hr fight.

It need only enough mechanics.

If they drop only the max time inside to 30mns its ok, but a 30mns fight will lately smash your brain only

[Veranolth]

Imagine doing a fight for 30 minutes, where you wipe 25ish minutes in, and you have to start all over.

I highly doubt the majority would want that.

[HyoMinPark]

your not doing it for the challenge if you think that a 30mn ultimates is just “boring difficulty”
one of the reason why ultimates are difficult is because they are no checkpoints between bosses, making a 24mn-27mn ultimate is the same thing, to a greater extent

If you say “24mn-27mn ultimate is boring” you can also say that a 15mn-18mn ultimate is “boring”

You are completely missing what I’m saying. But I’d expect nothing less, if I’m being honest.

Making an Ultimate fight 30 minutes does not mean that it would be any harder than the current ones in terms of mechanical difficulty or DPS checks. All it means is that it would be more likely to mentally fatigue the person attempting it—which is artificial difficulty. Not actual difficulty.

You can have 15-18 minute fights that are challenging—as the current Ultimates suggest. There’s little reason to extend the time further than that. They’re already an endurance test with that duration and no checkpoint between bosses.

Tl;dr - longer fights =/= more difficult fights.

If anything, the precedent in this game suggests that shorter fights tend to have the higher difficulty. I’m thinking of P4S and how the door boss had a surprisingly tight damage check for Week 1 and 2 compared to phase 2. Exdeath in Deltascape was a sub-5 minute fight and his check was far tighter than Neo’s as well—and he was considered the harder of the two bosses.

I guess length really isn’t everything.

[Ivtrix]

i'd rather have 0 ultimates

it's just a waste of resources just to please 1% of the playerbase

just because you dont participate doesnt mean it doesnt have to exist

JP has huge ultimate participation numbers, and they have many more players than NA. Your reality is in a bubble.

[HyoMinPark]

just because you dont participate doesnt mean it doesnt have to exist

JP has huge ultimate participation numbers, and they have many more players than NA. Your reality is in a bubble.

While JP’s Savage and Ultimate participation is higher, NA is the largest of the three playerbases in terms of population per unofficial censes.

But I do otherwise agree with the rest of this statement. The person you’re responding to doesn’t seem to realize that Ultimate doesn’t take nearly as many resources as they think it does. Or that Ultimate is what garnered this game so much attention on streaming platforms. But clearly it’s a waste of development time! :eyeroll:

[Ivtrix]

While JP’s Savage and Ultimate participation is higher, NA is the largest of the three playerbases in terms of population per unofficial censes.

But I do otherwise agree with the rest of this statement. The person you’re responding to doesn’t seem to realize that Ultimate doesn’t take nearly as many resources as they think it does. Or that Ultimate is what garnered this game so much attention on streaming platforms. But clearly it’s a waste of development time! :eyeroll:

Hmm,

I hadnt looked at a census in a while. I had thought JP had the numerically larger playerbase for some time now, guess im wrong. That being said, we do know that SE does cater a lot more to the opinions of the JP playerbase, and if they have a higher focus and participation on higher end content, i dont see dev time getting substantially cut for a very long time (going to look the other way on the delay of DSW on this one due to covid).