Summoner rework is a huge dissapointment

[Shurrikhan]

IMO having a job that uses a book rushing to tackle and cleave an enemy is way too strange. Would make more sense if Ifrit did it instead, for example.

Or at least give me a temporary avatar-ized Ifrit arm instead of just a flaming book smack.


:: Similar ideas were actually tossed around as far back as ARR, whereby one could bolster their Egi (AF-spender on Spur), detonate it, or combine with it. Cast offensive spells onto Titan to have him emit them in pulses to nearby enemies. Activate his skill to have him absorb a portion of damage he'd otherwise have taken. Consume him for armor and the ability to apply either ability yourself, though at a slight damage loss in trade (no pet AAs). Ifrit, when consumed, would give access to his gap-closer stun and instant melee attacks for up-close mobility. Garuda would give access to her knockback, a fixed-distance dash, draw-in AoE, and up to 4 stacks of instant casts upgrading Ruin II (Feather Bolt or w/e). Etc., etc.

[Axxion]

the class has many many more reworks in its future and people will be always disappointed do to what the devs did. this class changed made a split audience that would probably never heal. i feel like the only way to make both camps happy. is to revert the smn complexity(that does not mean adding dots back in). then make another caster that plays like current smn.

The problem is that they wont have the time or resources for it. they have already changed how it is played an as long as people are enjoying it they will look at it as complete success.

[stellahawke]

The problem is that they wont have the time or resources for it. they have already changed how it is played an as long as people are enjoying it they will look at it as complete success.

and that was the main reason why the current smn failed to keep the original audience not enough time and resources (aka a dedicated caster dev making the class) hopefully with them adding more people to the team that also involves more class developers instead of just like 4(non of them are casters or healers)?

[SweetPete]

If Garuda/Ifrit/Titan stayed in the field when we call them and Gemshine were skills that come from the summons at our command instead from SMN himself would be good enough. Spend all gem stacks > summon goes away > can call next summon. That simple, in theory.
IMO having a job that uses a book rushing to tackle and cleave an enemy is way too strange. Would make more sense if Ifrit did it instead, for example.

That’s basically what they do in FF7 remake. You use summons skills and the avatar executes. I’m with you the whole Ifrit book slap is so weird and funny at the same time

[Kulve]

That’s basically what they do in FF7 remake. You use summons skills and the avatar executes. I’m with you the whole Ifrit book slap is so weird and funny at the same time

It also needs to be considered that you're asking for a Automaton Queen out every so much. We can only have 1 pet actor out at a time due to memory restrictions, so says Yoshida. Doing this will cause even further rigidness and any ability for players to even optimise even a little bit when we have the chances will be gone. Doing this would force another button to cancel the summon, and that would still cause problems because of the exit animation. This should be a big no cause this only causes more problems in the long term only for an auto attack. Also we did have this. It was called Egi Command 1 and 2 which could be upgraded to Arcanum Commands. If they wanted this, they would still be in the game. They are most certainly not there.

[CecMiller]

I think the main thing I'm hoping for is some additional system(s) to be added onto the current summoners core gameplay. I feel like there should be some other management system or optimisation system for SMN to perform as all its doing is pressing instant cast ruin 3's and pressing its mandatory ogcds. There is no major thought process that takes place or meaningfull decisions to make other than "do I need to use ifrit now because I need to be mobile soon". Yes, there are small optimisations you can make for dps in a raiding environment, but its a far cry from what the job historically has had the capability to do.

I'm hoping there are changes sooner than later, but the realist in me thinks we're stuck like this until 7.0. Most reworks happened by patch .2/.3 patch at the latest for job additions and SE has historically been satisfied with this and not made major gameplay decisions from then on.

[Dyvid]

That’s basically what they do in FF7 remake. You use summons skills and the avatar executes. I’m with you the whole Ifrit book slap is so weird and funny at the same time

That is literally what we had in 5.XX and everyone complained because the 2.5 second delay from when you commanded to when the egi did the move was too long or it didn't execute due to reasons. The fix for this was to give the summoner the move instead so here we are....

II'm hoping there are changes sooner than later, but the realist in me thinks we're stuck like this until 7.0. Most reworks happened by patch .2/.3 patch at the latest for job additions and SE has historically been satisfied with this and not made major gameplay decisions from then on.

Pretty much. You're stuck with it as is until 7.0 with minor changes to potency from here out.

[Flana]

That is literally what we had in 5.XX and everyone complained because the 2.5 second delay from when you commanded to when the egi did the move was too long or it didn't execute due to reasons. The fix for this was to give the summoner the move instead so here we are....

And yet we still have a ~2.5 second delay on pushing the gem summon button and damage actually going out. They really didn't fix anything, did they? Same problems new paint.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Completely disagree with OP. Summoner was my "main alt" after White Mage since ARR in 2014 when I joined the game, and the current iteration of Summoner is the most fun I've ever had on the class. In fact for the first time my SMN is more geared than my WHM and I play it way more. The rotation is fun and interesting to me, and I finally feel bad-ass. Only complaint is that I sometimes can't see mechanics due to my summons but not willing to make them smaller

Hope the devs ignore most of these "summoner rework" ideas. I see others on the class regularly in raid content so it seems others enjoy it as well.

[Rolder50]

Completely agree with OP. Summoner was my actual main back in Shadowbringers (before that I was a healer, but they were the victims of rework simplification in that expansion much like summoner was in this one), and I enjoyed working around that rotation. They should have just gone through and fixed the jank with the class and called it good. Like how they fixed demis not attacking by making them stationary and just do X number of attacks? Put that on Shadowbringers summoner and boom jank fixed, at least in that regard. The rotation is super dull and just amounts to "Hit da shiny buttons!" for the entire fight. Literally the only thought needed is when to use ifrit, the rest just does not matter. They even removed Phoenix's 1-2 combo, why?

Please re-rework summoner ok thanks!