Summoner rework is a huge dissapointment

[Kulve]

Tbh being so aggressive about it doesn't help your cause because it makes you look very biased. You can call it braindead as much as you want but there are players like me that genuinely enjoy the new SMN, and reading some of the comments you guys almost make it like one should be ashamed of such thing, it's ridiculous.

But on topic... what do you propose we take into account to measure whether people are happy with the new SMN or not? I used the FFlogs savage parsing because to me, it looked like it could be at the very least, slightly indicative? What should we go by instead? Because "There are a lot of people that are unhappy with the new SMN" sort of comments doesn't sound like it could be used to make an accurate representation of peoples' satisfaction with the new SMN right? And all I see in this thread are the same couple dozen users bumping each other for the same cause.

Now, you have every right to not like the new SMN, but for instance, I had to swallow ARR, HW, SB and ShB iterations of SMN and to me they were absolutely unedible, and in none of those I remember myself making this much noise, and I disliked the old SMN with passion and thematically it's my favorite job.

Say 75% of the job like the new SMN, but 25% dislike it a lot. What's the solution here?

This is taking numbers out of context to almost alarming degree. The numbers currently on logs that you're looking at shows SMN at around 47k, RDM at 40k and BLM 26k. We can interpret it as this; Casters with Res are the preferred choice in the caster slot. SMN is also the least resistant for being so simple and a literal PhysRanged job compared to RDM so less to think about. You're also using these numbers to interpret each individual player parsed as SMN is of the same opinion of you. You can't read a number from a parse site and say "This may people love/dislike it" because that's not the statistics of a parsing site. Also, pulling the numbers 75% and 25% is disingenuous to a controversial rework that's already 5 months old where I've observed split in current discussions among those that like/dislike, while also still seeing those that say they like the rework but not satisfied with how incomplete it feels.

I imagine we will get a dot mage to replace old SMN come next expansion or so, it seems unlike the devs to just remove a playstyle from the game, especially one that tends to be a staple in MMOs overall.

They have been slowly removing Dots and they've made it a point that in content where 48+ players interact (Eureka, Bozja, Baldesion Arsenal) that there is a debuff limit that has caused issues. Dot mage is highly unlikely and would not hold my breath for one (not that I cared for dots). Also why remove a job of being a dot mage to create one 2 or 4 years later? This goes back to telling those players to just kick rocks.

[Coletergeist]

I imagine we will get a dot mage to replace old SMN come next expansion or so, it seems unlike the devs to just remove a playstyle from the game, especially one that tends to be a staple in MMOs overall.

SE doesn't like dots. Don't count on it.

[Nizzi]

I imagine we will get a dot mage to replace old SMN come next expansion or so, it seems unlike the devs to just remove a playstyle from the game, especially one that tends to be a staple in MMOs overall.

Didn't really seem to bother them when they did it SCH in ShB, or SMN going into EW. I don't think a single job other than BRD has 2 DoTs anymore, other than PLD but Circle of Scorn is only up every 30s for 15s and if they wanted to get rid of the DoT they could easily just bake the potency into the CD. With the debuff issue as well, SCH or another healer is really the only job I can conceivably see having more than one DoT in the future as healers contribute the least amount of DPS, so it wouldn't be felt on the scale it would be if you had a bunch of proverbial DoT mages running the larger scale content. I really wouldn't get your hopes up, though. DoTs seem to be what the developers look at first when it comes to pruning actions to make room for new ones.

[stellahawke]

i feel like the smn rework would feel less like a kick in the ass if the devs where more talkative about it like how they went with the sam and ninja changes

[Dyvid]

i feel like the smn rework would feel less like a kick in the ass if the devs where more talkative about it like how they went with the sam and ninja changes

I would like it more if Yoshi-P dropped BLM and main'ed SMN for the next two years straight.

[stellahawke]

I would like it more if Yoshi-P dropped BLM and main'ed SMN for the next two years straight.

yoshi p or at least one of the playtesters. cause they dont even have a person that mained smn

[Coletergeist]

I would like it more if Yoshi-P dropped BLM and main'ed SMN for the next two years straight.

Both SMN and any healer. Like he should take turns. I'm still sad about what they did to my main dps job

And still scared what they're gonna do to AST soon - my other main. I hope there's at least something good.

[Foraet]

I'm fine with the current summoner. Well other than the giant summons always popping up right in front of my camera. Bahamut, you gotta move over buddy. Also, partial effects should turn off other players' summons.

If it's considered brain dead, well I could think of a few other jobs that are on par. I will say it's got a very satisfying burst unload. It's also funny that there's a good little chunk of gameplay variety locked behind level 90. Maybe they'll push that down to lower levels in later expansions.

[stellahawke]

I'm fine with the current summoner. Well other than the giant summons always popping up right in front of my camera. Bahamut, you gotta move over buddy. Also, partial effects should turn off other players' summons.

If it's considered brain dead, well I could think of a few other jobs that are on par. I will say it's got a very satisfying burst unload. It's also funny that there's a good little chunk of gameplay variety locked behind level 90. Maybe they'll push that down to lower levels in later expansions.

its more of the drastic change most people had the problem with. from a big brain class to a brain dead class. that does not act like a caster unless you are doing level 50 content. most other brain dead classes people are complaining about also. the only one not really complaining is dancer. because it has the rng aspect to it that makes it interesting to play.

[Foraet]

its more of the drastic change most people had the problem with. from a big brain class to a brain dead class. that does not act like a caster unless you are doing level 50 content. most other brain dead classes people are complaining about also. the only one not really complaining is dancer. because it has the rng aspect to it that makes it interesting to play.

Why did they even revamp it in the first place? Were people even playing it? I really wasn't. Was it a big-brain job? I thought it was kind of interesting but it always felt a little funky to me. Also, I'm not a huge fan of DoTs. I wouldn't shed a single tear if they pulled them out of Bard. But that's just me.