Summoner rework is a huge dissapointment

[Varia-Androise]

If ppl are mad with the new summoner just play something else like bard for dots or BLM/RDM caster playstyle.

And if I like micromanaging many things at once with a busy rotation (AKA old SMN's core identity)?

"Play a different job" works when you're trying a new job and don't like its core identity. Less so when your main job was robbed of its identity with nothing quite like it.

[tearagion]

I love the new summoner. If ppl are mad with the new summoner just play something else like bard for dots or blm/rdm caster playstyle. I used to be drk player wasnt happy with direction of EW then I switch to SMN. I'm currently doing the new ultimate with SMN. I'm so annoyed to see players wanted the pet to have more power do not understand how bad the pet system is on higher content or smn need to be warlock again when it closest to a final fantasy style we ever see. As for buttons we going get more but for sure it be replace by a other button due to the controller players like me.

Do you realize how insane it sounds to tell people who want to play a caster not to play summoner? Maybe the design is fundamentally flawed if a casting job doesn't deliver on a casting playstyle.

[ThorneDynasty]

Maybe when they build onto it itll feel better.

List of jobs that have had a half-baked rework that evolved into something good:

[IdowhatIwant]

I think, they did a good job making aesthetically pleasing, and it looks the role. The game play of it though is very bland.

[Ailuron]

This was exactly the way it happened to me! Well, nearly. The day I saw the rework reveal. I was disappointed. And I remember I was genuinely concerned when most people I see online are fine or happy that SMN is getting dumbed down. Most seem to note that the ShB SMN was too "complicated" or "glitchy" (used interchangably) to do optimal DPS. I see it as a part of the challenge to dps.

I remember i joked about it with my friends, a rumor about a change to the pets in SMN, this is exactly what I said I didnt want to see. Stripping the class genre of all that makes it unique. A reskinning of the spells, slapping on a primal "themed" suite of spells. It makes absolutely no difference if a fireball spell is, a simple fireball spell or a fireball "summoned by Ifrit!". Mechanics wise all I see is the rework taking away, a deficit, more than just changing it. There is no solid mechanic change that's specific to summons, its gone entirely . Underneath the reskinning, it's just a "stance" changing mage. Too much of the identity of being a summoner class relies on our own imagination lol.

A typical utility mage, that does less dmg than a BLM but have the same core. You cast spells. I didn't like BLM before, Im willing to do less dmg than a traditional mage (BLM) to play a unique pet class. The trade off was fine to me. Play the fantasy of a pet class with the utility as a plus, Jack of all trades master of none, that's fine. Thing is, I doubt SMN would hold up to BLM in terms of optimal dmg even when they are now a traditional mage.

Carbuncle.. sigh. It doesnt even give the party buff anymore, its a place holder for bahamut and firebird. I wont be surprised if later down the patches, they remove that too. Pull bahamut and firebird into existence straight out of your horny hat! That way bahamut/firebird wont spawn in awkward locations or something like that to justify it. Carby? oh it's providing moral support or screen clutter, pick one, it wouldnt matter.

Finally, it would have been a silver lining if there is some sort of mechanic that could trigger something different during those primal stances something I'd have to choose to use this on this particular primal stance to get a particular effect. Or make it so that there is some interaction between my current summoned carby/egi when using their primal stance. Just something that isnt, spam all spells and stances asap. Previously, Dots and fester was minimal but its still something when considering your rotation, the dreadwyrm trance reset was neat and satisfying. I just dont see something like that in the rework.

Now I play scholar mostly, crying to Eos/Selene (wish it mattered) or reaper.

[Coletergeist]

I think, they did a good job making aesthetically pleasing, and it looks the role. The game play of it though is very bland.

I actually personally hate resummoning the primals over and over again; even worse when there's more than one summoner. So many titans jumping in my line of sight...
Please, let me summon the primal I deem the most necessary and allow me to have a choice without it being so repetitive. It's weird.

I'm aware that they can be smaller, but then it just doesn't have that same feel of epicness. I never win. Sad.

[Flashy]

I feel really bad for ShB Summoner players. Sure I'm pissed about Samurai right now, but having a job reworked like SMN must feel 10x worse.

[Hysorn]

To me the job just feels straight up incomplete, like they were still in the concept phase when they remembered they had a deadline and just threw some ideas together, applied some tape and said "Yep, this is good". The level 90 SMN plays like a level 50 tank in terms of complexity, such an awful design choice IMO.

[SweetPete]

To me the job just feels straight up incomplete, like they were still in the concept phase when they remembered they had a deadline and just threw some ideas together, applied some tape and said "Yep, this is good". The level 90 SMN plays like a level 50 tank in terms of complexity, such an awful design choice IMO.

This is the same thing I said. I’m actually worried for Astro since they basically giving them a major rework in 6.2. I hope they take more time with it than they did summoner.

[Sequora]

Summoner feels good..if the level cap was 60. EW summoner is even simpler then SB red mage. I don’t think we’ll see any real changes until 7.0.

I do think they’ve done a really nice job with red mage. The additions in shb and EW were perfect. I feel like that job has the perfect amount of complexity.

I hope that they can at least build on this.