Summoner rework is a huge dissapointment

[MrJPtheAssassin]

You can't buff SMN unless you buff Ranged as well.

For too long, SQEX decided you couldn't have range, damage and instant cast on a job.
Even then, SMN is already superior to Ranged DPS in both damage and utility, while keeping the same (if not more) mobility.

I rather they just change SMN back to a damn caster and be the mid dmg caster with some utility. Thought you may be right smn may have better utility than range but tbh I would take an on-demand dam reduction skill than a dumb aoe HoT and ST HoT that no one really notices. Also I barely rez on smn bc I need to use swiftcast on ruby rite and green puddle, during my group reclears there times when some ppl make mistakes and I just couldnt help the healers out bc I already used swiftcast, they should have gone with the idea they had and delete smn rez imo. I ask my tanks if they felt any different in their HP over the last two weeks since I switched from rdm to smn for these reclears and you know what they said? "Nah didn't notice any different" Rekindle is my more hated skill bc it feels it has no impact on a fight. I would take a recolor DF over rekindle any day of the week. Either way, I'm so fed up with EW and SQEX because they made my only job I like to play boring and unrewarding in harder content, I'm not able to play the job I actually like to play(rpr) bc my group has one and he doesn't want to share, and overall I think I'm just getting burned out. I have tried so many other jobs this expac and no of them clicking for me. Rdm was fun for a bit but I'm starting to dislike it, can't really stand BLM, Sam is ok, drg is meh, and list goes on. I have no clue what job I even want to take into Dragonsong bc I just find one I like other than rpr. Sorry, I'm going off on a tangent... Either way, I just want them to actually finish smn and make it more rewarding to play, also make it a caster again...

[Shiroe]

Ofc you can & should buff Smn, regardless of what physical ranged get.

.. Smn is a main DPS with little utility (and its rez is a pain, it sucks so much MP, .. besides Smn's MP usage is drastically high this time.., can barley or can't rez later in fights, cause MP is just too low.., Smn is than forced to weave in Lucid Dreaming when possible)
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Mnk & Smn are on about the same level of utility

..also since Smn can't just press the dps buff anytine, if burst is really needed , ..nor get phönix out asap for a bit of regen healing (which id minimal anyway), Smn "utility" are strictly locked behind it's rotation.

... while Monks utility can be used anytime for important burst or for emergency healing

... Smn was always compared to Mnk, as it's "melee counterpart".., like Blm & Sam have become

(occasionally Smn was compared to Blm, Blm having more damage on less movement heavy fights, while Smn could outshine Blm on either very heavy movement or very add heavy fights.., now both are in totally different worlds as far as damage goes., same for Mnk compared to Smn)

... as we know, Smn is on the too low end of Dps :/

[zcrash970]

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You forgot the new metric though. Yoshi said that "busy" jobs should be stronger and be buff accordingly. Current smn is the literal opposite of being busy sadly.

But you are right, smn, at it's current dps, needs better utility

[Oextra]

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They should make Titan, Ifrit, and Garuda have unique buffs. Like Titan give a small damage and/or defense buff, Ifrit have bleed added to the cast attacks, and Garuda give haste. Doesn't have to be these buffs of course but something along the line. It would make summoning them potentially more strategic.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

You forgot the new metric though. Yoshi said that "busy" jobs should be stronger and be buff accordingly. Current smn is the literal opposite of being busy sadly.

But you are right, smn, at it's current dps, needs better utility

Unfortunately, you are right...Current smn isn't busy enough for it to be where it used to be but it's not even a good caster. Has worst utility than rdm and does the same amount if not a little less dam as an rdm. It sucks! I personally have given up all hope Yoshi and the devs will listern and just keep smn as the super-easy job for casuals. I still think the caster role as a whole has the worst balancing this expac because of the state of smn. There isn't a mid-ground caster between dam and utility. BLM is you big dam caster and rdm is you utility caster...so where does that leave smn? *sigh* I be honest I hate EW because of this, this has been the least fun tier for me bc of the smn's rework and the fact I cant play rpr. Guess I will be looking for a new group next tier...Im not looking forward to that.

[Grimoire-M]

They should make Titan, Ifrit, and Garuda have unique buffs. Like Titan give a small damage and/or defense buff, Ifrit have bleed added to the cast attacks, and Garuda give haste. Doesn't have to be these buffs of course but something along the line. It would make summoning them potentially more strategic.

Given how well that worked on Bard, no it wouldn’t.

[Shuuli]

All i asked in every post is to fix the Ifrit rotation cause this "be a super fast caster for lower dmg" is all cute, until you reach Ifrit.

[zcrash970]

Unfortunately, you are right...Current smn isn't busy enough for it to be where it used to be but it's not even a good caster. Has worst utility than rdm and does the same amount if not a little less dam as an rdm. It sucks! I personally have given up all hope Yoshi and the devs will listern and just keep smn as the super-easy job for casuals. I still think the caster role as a whole has the worst balancing this expac because of the state of smn. There isn't a mid-ground caster between dam and utility. BLM is you big dam caster and rdm is you utility caster...so where does that leave smn? *sigh* I be honest I hate EW because of this, this has been the least fun tier for me bc of the smn's rework and the fact I cant play rpr. Guess I will be looking for a new group next tier...Im not looking forward to that.

Honestly I gave up. At this point I'm not currently subbed and just waiting for the 2 weeks to passed where I can no longer post here.

If you care solely for higher level gameplay, the draw isn't here especially if you main quite a few of the jobs. As for yoshi and the devs, I don't have much faith in them. It's almost like they didn't play test anything. Whm, smn, dark, mch, and nin are awful while some jobs got too much love like war and ast. Let's not forget the idiocy of dk mnk as well.

And I think what really gets under my skin is they admitted that smn was reaching a breaking point and would need a rework in 6.0. That would suggest that they knew they were going to rework in 5.0 or even late stormblood. You're going to tell me that this is literally the best they came up with in that timeframe? A job that relies on it's aesthetics to get a player base. A job that can literally be played with one button with little lost. A job at release had it's lvl70 skill stronger than it's lvl 80. A lvl90 skill that is solely animations? A core mechanic unlocked at lvl 86. A job that fixed none of the issues that it had to begin with? A job where it is a caster in name only

It's beyond obvious that even with the rework, they have no idea what they are doing with the job.

[Oextra]

Given how well that worked on Bard, no it wouldn’t.

Not sure how it wouldn't when there's no real strategy in how to use them now. The only strategy is how to get through Ifrit's attacks faster....

[Shiroe]

I fail to see how Blm is more busy than Smn.., more difficult in end raid content sure, but Yoshi also said difficulty shouldn't be s metric for a jobs dps
...unless ofc he changed his mind, and ment with busy "more difficultin endraid"
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Just becauze a class weaves more in, and is busy, it doesn't justify it..
And smn as enough "timers / counters", than keep them "busy", even if not by pressing more buttons