Summoner rework is a huge dissapointment

[Bookkeepper]

I started playing the game midway through Shadowbringers. I chose to start as Arcanist, because I love the idea of being a spell caster, and the healer/dps split intrigued me. I ended up absolutely loving summoner - I was proud to call it my main class.

Then came the rework. At first, I was excited. Things were different! There was a whole new rotation to learn! And then I slowly realized I wasn't having fun anymore. There's no resource to build/spend, so the path to maximum DPS is to simply dump all your damage as fast as possible. No nuance, no sense of reward. My carbuncle only stares at me, its blank, unfeeling eyes silently asking me why it even exists. I press the buttons with the glowing border. I run around the battlefield, slinging spells - wait, what is THAT? Oh, it's my cast bar. I almost forgot I had one. Which arcanum do I use next? Doesn't matter - I must use all of them, as quickly as possible, so I am ready for my next bahamut/firebird phase.

I start with garuda. Instant cast 4 emerald-flavored Ruins. Then, slipstream, a long cast, but it's also got a secondary effect so I am rewarded if I time it so the target stays still. But I can't hold it for later; neither can I afford to delay it, since both are a damage loss. I could re-order the arcanum so I time it right! Except I can only move that window by roughly 15s or 30s - and ONLY by those amounts, because anything in between means cutting short ifrit or titan, and that ALSO is a damage loss. So I sigh and cast Slipstream anyways.
Titan. Everything is instant cast. I get to weave an oGCD. A good time for movement, because outside of this I have...let's see...three spells with a cast time. Oh. So really there is nothing that makes Titan stand out. A roughly 15 second phase where I can move and use oGCD can also describe Bahamut with energy drain, or firebird with energy drain.
Ifrit. The gap closer is so much fun to use! Except I almost never get to use it. What normally happens is I tap Crimson Cyclone and scoot forwards about 2 inches because I'm already right next to the boss from the last Crimson Cyclone and I didn't need to move away. If there's a mechanic where I do need to move towards the boss, though, I can align my whole rotation around getting Ifrit at the right time so I can dash forwards...or I can just walk there normally at any other point in my rotation. It's not like I have a cast time to worry about.

Ruin IV...might as well be a third stack of aetherflow, because realistically I'm going to weave it alongside Fester.

The new summoner just feels...empty. I can't stand to play it as my main anymore because it gets boring so, so quickly. I guess I just wanted to say goodbye to what used to be my favorite class. On the bright side, the rework convinced me to main scholar, and I'm really enjoying being a healer! I've had a great time leveling astrologian and sage, too.

[Grimoire-M]

I can feel aveyond-dreams already preparing the obligatory WoWlock comparison post.

[Silly_Rabbit]

I disagree i love rework. While i would agree that it need's some additions but base is solid and fun.

[rewd]

*shuffles cards*

DoTs are never coming back. If you want to be a Warlock, please show your enthusiasm to the devs for a new caster job in 7.0.

[Sequora]

SMN has its issues, but it’s astounding how many posts have been made, especially with the job being more popular than its ever been.

[IruruCece]

SMN has its issues, but it’s astounding how many posts have been made, especially with the job being more popular than its ever been.

It's not very astounding if you consider that flashbang dopamine sucks rocks in its current state.

[Rolder50]

It's not very astounding if you consider that flashbang dopamine sucks rocks in its current state.

Minor correction. The theme itself is fine and it's fun for about two dungeons. Then the new job smell wears off and you realize you've been hitting the same two buttons for the last 20 hours and you realize there's no depth and drop it.

[dinnertime]

A little nitpick with the OP's post, Shadowbringers SMN barely had a resource to build up other than Ruin IV stacks, and it was also a DPS-dump job where you had to press your CDs as soon as they're available, so not like the previous versions where you can actually wait when to use them, which gave you plenty of flexibility with how you want to play the job.

Anyway, don't y'all think there's way too many SMN threads?

[Sequora]

I do love all of the praise red mage is suddenly getting. 2 expansions ago and people were saying exactly the same thing about red mage. Flashy with zero depth

[IruruCece]

Anyway, don't y'all think there's way too many SMN threads?

No, there's honestly not enough threads about mechanical issues with jobs across the board.

I do love all of the praise red mage is suddenly getting. 2 expansions ago and people were saying exactly the same thing about red mage. Flashy with zero depth

Responding to absolutely no one in a given discussion is the 5head way to engage in any conversation, for sure