We really should be able to glamour other jobs' sets

[Arzalis]

The only things I would want to keep restricted are job specific sets. Beyond that I really wouldn't care. It'd be nice to allow this through the glamour dresser though, for sure. I like that idea.

Why? Seems arbitrary.

With very few exceptions, AF sets generally don't have much to set them apart from others except SE deemed it so. Especially the older jobs.

Yes. Let me disguise myself as a dragoon when I am in fact a warrior. This will have absolutely no consequences in PvP.

If you can't tell who someone is by the name/icon of the job literally floating above their head and weapon they're actively hitting you with, I'm not sure armor will be much help to you.

[Opinionated]

Yes. Let me disguise myself as a dragoon when I am in fact a warrior. This will have absolutely no consequences in PvP.

You are aware that you can queue to PVP without wearing any gear, right?

[Raikai]

Why? Seems arbitrary.

With very few exceptions, AF sets generally don't have much to set them apart from others except SE deemed it so. Especially the older jobs.

That I got to disagree that is arbitrary... The job sets are designed in a way that they will retain some sort of iconic visual status, hence why (with some odd exceptions like HW and SB SMN), they all kind of look like the same family, sometimes even way too much. The way the art direction seems to approach them is to create a signature style.

Plus, some of the set's characteristics even hearken back to old FF titles, such as WHM's white with red details or RDM dapper outfits.

As much as I'd love to wear the Welkin hat as a Summoner, I do think that the only restriction that still makes sense is the AF gear.

[Enkidoh]

That I got to disagree that is arbitrary... The job sets are designed in a way that they will retain some sort of iconic visual status, hence why (with some odd exceptions like HW and SB SMN), they all kind of look like the same family, sometimes even way too much. The way the art direction seems to approach them is to create a signature style.

Plus, some of the set's characteristics even hearken back to old FF titles, such as WHM's white with red details or RDM dapper outfits.

This is actually the whole reason for Artifact Armour (AF) in the first place, it's meant to not only be 'Job' gear stat wise (as in, enhances the stats particular to that specific Job), but more so, to give the iconic look to that Job (WHM being the poster child for this idea, given it's appearence of a long white robe with red tirangles or red detail is so iconic), because the rest of the gear available to you is more generic, so it was for nostalgia for FF fans harking back to early days of the series when the Jobs first appeared on the NES, and established their iconic visual appearences.

The idea originated in FFXI which had classic FF Jobs like WHM and BLM available from the start, and other iconic Jobs like SMN added later, and so the visual element was even more striking, given gear in that game generally had an even more rigid visual theme than what we have here in FFXIV (specifically the number of standard gear models was much lower than here in FFXIV, so normal gear tended to look very samey, with a few exceptions). And with a number of original Jobs appearing in FFXIV now that have never been in a FF game before, there has had to be some creative stretching to that idea as the game has evolved.

Either way, because of this, AF should definetely remain Job specific in both equipping and glamour, as if it was unlocked for all Jobs, well, it's not Artifact Armour anymore, it destroys the whole idea of that Job's iconic look.

[Aurida]

Either way, because of this, AF should definetely remain Job specific in both equipping and glamour, as if it was unlocked for all Jobs, well, it's not Artifact Armour anymore, it destroys the whole idea of that Job's iconic look.

It's still a White Mage robe even if it's not currently being worn by a white mage. The series itself blurs these lines frequently, up to and including the thing that everyone really wants: the system from FF11 via which you could freely use the appearance of any piece of gear that you can use on any job that you have.

If someone has White Mage leveled to 89 to use the WHM AF5 on that job, what specifically is the problem with them using the appearance of that gear on a job that isn't white mage? Same with anything. I should be able to dress my red mage like a samurai, or my gunbreaker like a machinist, or my dragoon like a culinarian so long as I have the jobs leveled to use that gear.

People throw a big stink about job identity, but I can tell you straight up that I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen anyone ever use any job specific set outside of 'they just hit 50 and don't have poetics yet' or 'they just hit 89 and haven't yet applied their glamour plate,' and the strict class lock on it is the specific reason why.

Free the glam and we'll see the sets.

[Vahlnir]

Why? Seems arbitrary.

With very few exceptions, AF sets generally don't have much to set them apart from others except SE deemed it so. Especially the older jobs.

Because they are job specific sets meant to be their own thing, and to give each job their signature looks. It's not arbitrary. It makes sense. If there is nothing that sets them apart in your eyes, then you are clearly not paying any attention at all to what they look like.

[Enkidoh]

It's still a White Mage robe even if it's not currently being worn by a white mage. The series itself blurs these lines frequently, up to and including the thing that everyone really wants: the system from FF11 via which you could freely use the appearance of any piece of gear that you can use on any job that you have.

If someone has White Mage leveled to 89 to use the WHM AF5 on that job, what specifically is the problem with them using the appearance of that gear on a job that isn't white mage? Same with anything. I should be able to dress my red mage like a samurai, or my gunbreaker like a machinist, or my dragoon like a culinarian so long as I have the jobs leveled to use that gear.

People throw a big stink about job identity, but I can tell you straight up that I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen anyone ever use any job specific set outside of 'they just hit 50 and don't have poetics yet' or 'they just hit 89 and haven't yet applied their glamour plate,' and the strict class lock on it is the specific reason why.

Free the glam and we'll see the sets.

I keep seeing players mentioning this and it doesn't tell the full story - that is something added only relatively recently, due to FFXI being in it's Indian Summer and manned by a skeleton staff of developers who give much priority to things as 'Job image', where for 99% of FFXI's lifetime it was a completely different story.

And your comment "I've never seen anyone use AF as gear" is not true too - most players use it initially as gear, especially when they're just newly level 50, (after all most of the initial AF set is level 45 except for the body piece, so most players would immediately equip it as it's the best non body gear at that levell, and thus would use most of the set for quite a while), and not every player is an endgame-focused tomestone hunter knowing, or even caring, to constantly run stuff to get tomes for gear that quickly becomes irrelevant anyway.

It's a pretty flimsy excuse to try to tie "no one uses this gear" to "AF should be equippable/glammable by all Jobs!", as the arguement holds no water whatsoever. I'm not trying to attack you here, and if I come across as that, I'm really sorry, but the fact is, Yoshi has decided he wants gear to give a certain image for a Job or role (he stated this back during the Beta test), and that clearly is not changing.

[ty_taurus]

On the topic of AF gear, I don't really care. It's not enough gear being gatekept away from other jobs for me to really care, and I don't want to wear it anyway. So if that's the line we need to draw in order to have all the rest of the gear, then so be it.

That said, I will say the argument of job identity is also a flimsy excuse to not unrestrict AF gear. At the end of the day, if you don't believe you should wear another jobs AF gear, then I have a magic solution for you: don't. Why the hell does it matter what someone else does or doesn't want to wear? How does it impact your gaming experience? The answer is it doesn't, or at least, it shouldn't for the same reason every other piece of gear shouldn't be role locked for glamour purposes. There are also other reasons why it really shouldn't matter: actually using AF gear, especially for crafters, is obnoxious and annoying since jobs of the same role share gear. It's kind of a pain in the ass to actually use AF gear for glams if you actually use multiple jobs of the same role, and glamour plates aren't a perfect solution. You swap jobs once outside of a sanctuary and you have to manually go somewhere to fix your gear. Additionally, there are a lot of less prominent pieces of AF gear that no one would be the wiser if you were to use on another job. Would you even notice if a PLD were using level 60 AF SCH gloves? What if someone just wants the AF 90 DNC headpiece, the bow? Is it really sacrilege to allow a WHM to wear that head ribbon?

In my opinion, if you really care what other people want to use for glams, you need to find better priorities in your life.

[Tsiron]

Role-specific gear already doesn't fit every Job of its type (biggest examples probably being Red Mage and Dancer, but also Reaper, Gunbreaker etc.) so there's no point in treating that as sacred. I'm personally perfectly fine with AF gear staying locked to its specific Jobs, as there's more than enough variety among Role-locked gear that it wouldn't be a huge loss.

[ty_taurus]

Role-specific gear already doesn't fit every Job of its type (biggest examples probably being Red Mage and Dancer, but also Reaper, Gunbreaker etc.) so there's no point in treating that as sacred. I'm personally perfectly fine with AF gear staying locked to its specific Jobs, as there's more than enough variety among Role-locked gear that it wouldn't be a huge loss.

As I said before, I don't really care enough about the shallow pool of AF gear to really fight for it, but like I can't help but ask the same question when you say "it wouldn't be a huge loss." It makes me go, "then why does it have to be a loss at all?" Why does it matter if they're locked or not? Who does that really benefit. It's weird cause I have no intentions myself of wanting to use any AF gear, but I just don't get why keeping it locked is supposed to make sense. If anything it kinda makes more sense to treat AF gear as a reward for leveling that job.