We really should be able to glamour other jobs' sets

[JennytheJester]

Honestly I feel a lot of outfits should not necessarily be unrestricted from a job, but it should be somehow made more like a character level check for glamour. That way it would still necessitate having the job leveled and this would in turn encourage more people to play alt jobs for outfits if they could use them on other jobs to really create the glamour they want. Should be seen of more "can your character use this" instead of "can the presently selected job use this?" minded.

Racial sets and stuff make sense and they very clearly aren't made to work with the other races, I doubt they'd have even made any assets for the other races if they were equipped.

Really frustrating I don't want to dedicate an entire glamour plate to alchemist for a nice glam because it's only visible on Alchemist so my crafters all use a standard butler attire.

[GrizzlyTank]

Really frustrating I don't want to dedicate an entire glamour plate to alchemist for a nice glam because it's only visible on Alchemist so my crafters all use a standard butler attire.

It's a crime the awesome lvl 90 gathering jacket is restricted >.<

[Tsiron]

So, despite our establishing what a terrible idea this was, I went ahead and posted a (workshopped) translation of my question over in the JP thread! It's definitely too late now, but feel free to upvote it all the same

(for the record, I did run 31 pages' worth of replies through Google Translate beforehand. There was only one (1) question that had anything to do with Glamour, and it was just someone asking for more Plates so... my conscience is clear)

[SeverianLyonesse]

They do have costumes though which ignores the armor classes.
And the reason they never let us mix in GW2 is because they never bothered to implement proper fail states for conflicting seams so conflicts result in invisible limbs, in contrast to ffxiv which hides sections or the entire piece instead.

Yes, but there aren't many and as you observe, they are more restricted.

We have far more universal glam pieces than GW2 has, both individual clothes we can mix/match and full sets.

I love GW2, but FFXIV beats it hands-down for clothing customization, and that is even accounting for the fact that GW2 has a way better dye system.

[Colter_Hildibrand]

So, despite our establishing what a terrible idea this was, I went ahead and posted a (workshopped) translation of my question over in the JP thread! It's definitely too late now, but feel free to upvote it all the same

(for the record, I did run 31 pages' worth of replies through Google Translate beforehand. There was only one (1) question that had anything to do with Glamour, and it was just someone asking for more Plates so... my conscience is clear)

um...was that workshopped? the very first word you said (the term for glamour) was an incorrect translation...really wish you hadn't done that and just trusted this forum

[Tsiron]

It was, yes. We checked the JP UI guide and etc. for the terms they use, and it seemed like a bunch of systems are called something else in Japanese (e.g. glamour prisms are "mirage prisms")

If it's wrong, then that's a bummer, but as I mentioned it's probably too late for it to make a difference anyway..

[Colter_Hildibrand]

it's nuanced in a way that makes it incorrect. They are mirage prisms in Japanese, but something commonly done in that language is to condense words, making it ミラプリ or mirapuri. In addition, the term mirapuri isn't only referring to the item of the prism itself, but also the application of the glamour.

It's also really disheartening to see people believe that they care that little about English players to the point where you think they'd ignore the same question in the English thread with nearly 100 upvotes last time I checked to answer it in Japanese, when you likely wouldn't even understand the answer since it would be in a language you don't speak. It really seems like you don't believe the devs care about English players, despite the fact that I guarantee many of the changes in Bozja (castrum in particular) were because of the English speaking community (I had no problems running it on JP servers until they announced the buff to the rewards). The questions asked to the producer in Japanese don't hold any more sway than the questions asked in English, and acting as though they do sounds really disrespectful.

[SieyaM]

I would love this, there are some sets from Orbonne that I really like but they are not caster/healer sets so no dice for me. Before anyone comments yes I know my taste may not run with the norm, but whatever I like what I like, and also some of the sets there don't look like they would be out of place on a caster anyway. Really I would just be happy with fewer dress/robe caster or healer sets. The Radiant set or whatever it's called from the current tomes doesn't look all that bad even though it is a robe, and the fact the that moonward set isn't robe centric either has me a little hopeful that we get some good stuff this expansion.

[RoanSaito]

The glamour system in this game is much too limiting, for sure. While I personally tend to feel that there are no justifiable restrictions that should prevent you from wearing a piece of gear however you choose once you've earned it, I understand people's hesitation as far as Job Artifact gear for the non-crafting/gathering classes goes. For DoH/DoL gear, there really should be no reason to attach them to a specific class rather than just giving them to everyone, as they tie more into a theme than one of the highly specific adventurer subgroups that define the classic looks of the artifact gear for DoW/DoM jobs.

But for role restrictions, there's absolutely no good argument to keep them as they are. One of the most frustrating things about this game to me is that armor from other roles that would look perfectly feasible on a mage arbitrarily can't be worn by anything other than [insert 1 or 2 jobs here]. My favorite example is the YorHa Hoods of Aiming/Scouting, which would pretty much be a staple of caster design in any other game.
It feels especially annoying that this isn't a limitation NPCs have, and that goes to show that it isn't as cut and dry as restrictions would imply. The Reaper questgiver wears a fending jacket, IIRC, and given she's our first glimpse into the class, it feels pretty bad that we can't even look like her if we wanted to.

There are probably examples of players mixing together a completely impractical set that absolutely throws the apparent ideal appearance of their class out the window, in SE's eyes. I don't care, personally, but even if you don't want to bring up the obvious (the frog suits, bikinis, etc), isn't that vastly outweighed by the expanded customization utility, giving players more freedom to experiment and put together really cool and unique sets? It would increase immersion, contrary to the frustrating and outdated MMO truism that informs painfully limited customization like this. In a game with as many options to break the "class fantasy" as we have now, including by giving black mages the ability to wear armor if they have the money to drop on Mogstation, the restrictions make no sense whatsoever.

Is anything that your average player comes up with possibly going to be more "immersion-breaking" than the tank I got a few dungeons ago who wore a giant witch hat and striped pants for a Wicked Witch cosplay?

Where is the line drawn here, exactly, and doesn't it just needlessly restrict players on the back of very flawed, shaky logic that didn't even hold water five years ago? Role restrictions don't even do what they're intended to on paper. A Reaper dresses nothing like a Dragoon, and the gunslinger aesthetic of Machinist doesn't conventionally pair with Dancer-themed gear. So not only are these limitations unnecessary, but they belong to a decade old game that has since established too much variety among its classes to be justified or effective.

[Tsiron]

Well said!

It's a bummer that the question was ignored outright, but giving up is the opposite of what we should be doing!

It's been clear for a while that a lot of players want this, so if we keep this thread going, like the Male Viera/Female Hrothgar ones, we may yet get the devs to cave eventually