We really should be able to glamour other jobs' sets

[GTK0HLK]

Honestly NO, it kills out the fantasy between types if everyone can be the same thing, instend just great bulk armor rangers casters etc they kinda exist in some final fantasy crossbow+heavy armor. SO no bad enough every job is exacly the same within role type no giving others a glamour ment for that type period THERE NEEDS TO BE THINGS THAT OTHERS DONT GET WITHIN A JOB type

I'm honestly having Difficulty reading that.
[As much as some would use that to mock me and others. Yours actually is Difficult to read.]

Now not to beat on a [5/29/2024] nother user.

There really is no substantial reason to keep pushing a locking of Glamour.

There are many items that just become so useless that they need to have value to the game.

Regardless If it's monetized in other regions or not.(Like Crafter/Gatherer Gear in KR)

They are already releasing sets that practically would qualify as armored gear in previous expansions.

And Not armored options have existed for Tankier Roles, since practically inception.
(and does so into the future)

In many media, the idea of Underlayered armor also exists.(And you cannot just espouse the idea that cloth can tank as much damage as full on Tank BiS of old and previous expansion. and vice-versa.)

It's been long enough, if they care that much, players also would accept a in-between of spaced out restrictions being lifted.
As long as something is done to cater to alot of players wants.
[ie: Gear unlock for old expansions, once their expansion is no longer current. or As soon as their content is no longer as useful. like previous tiers, side dungeons, side content. ETC]

It isn't a matter of cannot, it's a matter of when.
If there is a reason, that reason is just a matter of time, before it ages out.

[Graveyardprincess]

I'm honestly having Difficulty reading that.
[As much as some would use that to mock me and others. Yours actually is Difficult to read.]

Now not to beat on a [5/29/2024] nother user.

There really is no substantial reason to keep pushing a locking of Glamour.

There are many items that just become so useless that they need to have value to the game.

Regardless If it's monetized in other regions or not.(Like Crafter/Gatherer Gear in KR)

They are already releasing sets that practically would qualify as armored gear in previous expansions.

And Not armored options have existed for Tankier Roles, since practically inception.
(and does so into the future)

In many media, the idea of Underlayered armor also exists.(And you cannot just espouse the idea that cloth can tank as much damage as full on Tank BiS of old and previous expansion. and vice-versa.)

It's been long enough, if they care that much, players also would accept a in-between of spaced out restrictions being lifted.
As long as something is done to cater to alot of players wants.
[ie: Gear unlock for old expansions, once their expansion is no longer current. or As soon as their content is no longer as useful. like previous tiers, side dungeons, side content. ETC]

It isn't a matter of cannot, it's a matter of when.
If there is a reason, that reason is just a matter of time, before it ages out.

The only reason one needs, is it doesn't belong to the others simple as that. A caster should never be allowed to wear heavy armor (unless its like a spell blader which drk is). The reason they shouldn't is honestly it makes no sense period idc if its glamour or not it makes 0 sense... I'm also against jobs like warrior having scythes and hammers as glamour because the combat style between types of weapons are hugely different. For example Claws although its a hand to hand weapon it does not fight the same as a fist or knuckle, same goes with spears and morning stars (aka cryptkeeper drg weapon).

If any thing we need more and harsher restrictions on glamour some jobs get access to.


A ninja wouldn't be able to fight or move in heavy armor, a monk wouldn't be able to fight in heavy armor.. bad enough many things already destroying the combat fantasy within the jobs.

I'm all for options i still want more decent emo styles and graveyard stuff but no other jobs shouldnt get the access to an armor type such as heavy for casters/light footed mele/range



I'm tired of modern things taking a shit on some simple things that shouldnt be changed .... just because ppl want to take a dump over a fantasy archtype

[Skivvy]

The only reason one needs, is it doesn't belong to the others simple as that. A caster should never be allowed to wear heavy armor (unless its like a spell blader which drk is). The reason they shouldn't is honestly it makes no sense period idc if its glamour or not it makes 0 sense... I'm also against jobs like warrior having scythes and hammers as glamour because the combat style between types of weapons are hugely different. For example Claws although its a hand to hand weapon it does not fight the same as a fist or knuckle, same goes with spears and morning stars (aka cryptkeeper drg weapon).

If any thing we need more and harsher restrictions on glamour some jobs get access to.


A ninja wouldn't be able to fight or move in heavy armor, a monk wouldn't be able to fight in heavy armor.. bad enough many things already destroying the combat fantasy within the jobs.

I'm all for options i still want more decent emo styles and graveyard stuff but no other jobs shouldnt get the access to an armor type such as heavy for casters/light footed mele/range



I'm tired of modern things taking a shit on some simple things that shouldnt be changed .... just because ppl want to take a dump over a fantasy archtype

Quick, tell me what job I'm currently on:


Now, this is a pretty lazy example as it's a full set of armor that I had in my inventory, but the point still stands. If people want to, they can already glamour away from the typical "job identity".

However, having full-access to glams would really open up the doors to allow people to actually create outfits that fit even moreso with the identities you are wishing SE would protect.

This post explains it far better than I can:

The idea of more options = more homogeneity might make sense if we're going from total class restrictions to none. You could argue that everyone will just wear bikinis or joke glams, and identity would go out the window. The issue is that we have role restrictions, not job restrictions - this means that jobs that don't fit a traditional role aesthetic don't have as many options. For example SCH/RDM wouldn't normally wear robes, but since healer and caster sets are 90% robes, that's what they need to wear. Without restrictions I'd be free to pick a medley of scouting/aiming/healing pieces to truly look like a SCH without resorting to artifact gear.

The current system is simply the worst of both worlds. Joke glams and casual streetwear have zero restrictions so anyone can be a bikini-clad chocobo now. But role restrictions means that many folk who want to assemble lore accurate glamour cannot, because their job identity clashes with the role identity.

[Graveyardprincess]

Quick, tell me what job I'm currently on:


Now, this is a pretty lazy example as it's a full set of armor that I had in my inventory, but the point still stands. If people want to, they can already glamour away from the typical "job identity".

However, having full-access to glams would really open up the doors to allow people to actually create outfits that fit even moreso with the identities you are wishing SE would protect.

This post explains it far better than I can:

already know they can, and that needs to be fixed and stripped away

and role restrictions should exist period when you think of a ninja, you picture a stealthy small person (not short but small) not someone walking around in a set of plate armor that a. they couldn't move in tbh and b. will make them automatically be detected

[Khryseis_Astra]

The only reason one needs, is it doesn't belong to the others simple as that. A caster should never be allowed to wear heavy armor (unless it’slike a spell blader which drk is).

May I introduce you to the Radiant and Credendum gear sets? The caster gear in those looks like something a PLD would wear… even Moonward, which was beautiful, had casters and healers share. The Moonward caster set was based off of Rydia, a SMN. If they were true to the job fantasy, healers would’ve gotten Rosa’s outfit and not a recolor of Rydia’s.

Now AF gear? Sure keep that class-locked. It is designed specifically for that class, after all. But all the other gear restrictions are totally arbitrary. They make sense in their current expansion to keep people grinding for gear, but after that, they should be unlocked to all classes. Heck a lot of the time they get reskinned and given to different groups altogether in later dungeons anyways! And if you look at a lot of level 50-60 gear, you’ll see “All Classes” instead of the groups they were traditionally assigned to, so it’s not without precedent.

As I said in an earlier post, the ability to mix and match would actually help the job fantasy in many cases. My DNC shouldn’t have to look like a cowboy because they got thrown into the aiming group. PCT is going to have the same problem, where only their AF gear looks like it truly fits them, because most of the casting gear will look more like BLM.

[Rueby]

The fending gear for the first tier of Pandamonium didn't look like heavy armor at all, and honestly? I love it and I wish I could wear it on other jobs too. I'd like to see more fantasy elements that break away from the 'fixed' norm.

I want to mix and match some boots/gloves/helms. I don't think this will be the 'breaks muh fantasy', we already have casual glam, clown, pig, frog, imp, elephant sets -.- I just want to use my favorite gloves on my glam. I'm sick of my glam plate 'breaking' because god forbid I play another job within the same archetype, but one piece of my outfit is an artifact piece...

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]and role restrictions should exist period when you think of a ninja, you picture a stealthy small person (not short but small) not someone walking around in a set of plate armor that a. they couldn't move in tbh and b. will make them automatically be detected

That's hilarious. Because the lore building behind ROG/NIN is they're supposed to be able to dress as anything - literally - they want to go undercover so they should be able to wear anything and everything that suits their mission, be that commoner attire, prestigious, soldier, fugitive, etc, if that helps conceal their true identity.

Again, more reason to unlock role restriction

[LordMcMutton]

Honestly NO, it kills out the fantasy between types if everyone can be the same thing, instend just great bulk armor rangers casters etc they kinda exist in some final fantasy crossbow+heavy armor. SO no bad enough every job is exacly the same within role type no giving others a glamour ment for that type period THERE NEEDS TO BE THINGS THAT OTHERS DONT GET WITHIN A JOB type

That's your choice, but you have no right to try and force everyone else to conform to your preferences

Basically the only argument any naysayers have is that they don't want people glamouring jobs in a particular way that they think ruins their immersion or their ideal of the job fantasy- it's all very selfish, really.

I'll give you a compromise- we can get free, unlocked glamouring, and you can get an option that shows everybody but yourself in level-appropriate Artifact Gear instead of what they're actually wearing

[mallleable]

It's funny because there are some gatherer gear that would fit NIN very well in a traditional sense, but NIN can't use them because of role locks on glam.

[Graveyardprincess]

That's your choice, but you have no right to try and force everyone else to conform to your preferences

Basically the only argument any naysayers have is that they don't want people glamouring jobs in a particular way that they think ruins their immersion or their ideal of the job fantasy- it's all very selfish, really.

I'll give you a compromise- we can get free, unlocked glamouring, and you can get an option that shows everybody but yourself in level-appropriate Artifact Gear instead of what they're actually wearing

w/e and sometimes its okay to be selfish every talks bad about it but honestly really its not a bad thing to be "selfish"

plus its not really selfish its called keeping the purity of that thing, and I'm fine with people wearing w/e idc but there is a point where it flat out stupid and jokly so, and I hate comedy

but w/e im not going to agrue since i promosied if ill be good so i can get a coffin irl