We really should be able to glamour other jobs' sets

[Iscah]

Do you work for SE? Do you understand their backend? No. You're wildly speculating.

I do not work for SE, but everything I stated there was true.

We CANNOT glamour the level 60 Sky Pirate sets to other roles. That is a fact. They remain locked to their individual roles.

We can only glamour the level 1 Replica Sky Pirate sets. They are treated as separate items in the system. You can look up fan database sites like Garland Tools or Eorzea Collection and they are classified as independent items with a shared model.

You have also completely made this up.

I thought the "perhaps" made that clear.

This is an absolute reach. I get that there are white knights on this forum hell-bent on defending everything SE does, but, really. Come on. Is it so hard to accept that people want something new and improved in the game?

Is it so hard to accept that I might genuinely think there is gear that works for dancer? People keep talking as if there's nothing but trenchcoats and armour for ranged gear, and dancer has absolutely nothing to wear except their job gear, but there's actually a decent amount of things to work with.

I dug out and updated my list of pieces I like or think could be useful for dancer gear. It's not all "job-styled" gear but a mix of that, puffy shirts, bright colours, drapes that look nice in motion.

AIMING-SPECIFIC
Lv32 Infantry Shirt / Lv49 Raptorskin Shirt
Lv50 Ballad
Lv50 Shikari / Lv56 Ramie
Lv60 Torrent (dress, sleeves)
Lv60 Lost Thief
Lv70 Rakshasa (long skirt, shoes)
Lv70 Brightlinen
Lv71 Lakeland
Lv75 Ravel Keeper
Lv76 Ovim Wool Tunic
Lv80 Warg Sarouel
Lv80 Paglth'an
Lv80 YoRHa Type-51
Lv80 Facet
Lv80 Neo-Ishgardian
Lv80 Exarchic
Lv85 Palaka
Lv86 Last Unicorn v2
Lv90 Classical Sagittarius
Lv90 Limbo/Asphodelos

PVP Last Unicorn (skirt, sandals, arm gear)
PVP Oschon
PVP Republican Sagittarius
PVP Makai Markswoman


ALL-CLASS GLAMOUR
Ao Dai
Boulevardier
Bunny tights/pumps
Dalmascan Draped set
Oasis - maybe the top, but particularly the female pants
Riviera Doublet
Riviera Dress
Southern Seas Skirt
Spring Dress
Taoist
Thavnairian Bustier set
Thavnairian Bolero set
Thavnairian Wool Autumn Dress
Ti Leaf Lei


RACE GEAR
Auri Gown
Elezen Gown
Elezen Hempen Camise
Hyuran Chemisette
Viera pieces


MOG STATION
Eastern Lord/Lady's Togi
Eastern Socialite's Cheongsam
Endless Summer Top
Faerie Tale Princess - underskirt, tiara, shoes
Faire Joi
Far Eastern (various)
Gosetsu's hakama
High Summoner's Dress
Lady Errant
Lord's/Lady's Suikan
Mun'gaek set, especially pants
Songbird/Seneschal
Southern Seas Swimsuit
Summer's Flame set
Yukata (various)


THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY DANCERY BUT COULD WORK
Lv40 Altered Woolen Shirt / Lv41 Vigil / Lv50 Divine Light / Lv52 Holy Rainbow Shirt
Lv50 Amon pieces
Lv54 Dhalmelskin
Lv65 Nomad pants
Lv74 Atrociraptorskin
Pagos Shirt
Expeditioner's Tabard
Falconer's Shirt
Spring Shirt
Valentione Rose dress
Makai Marksman works surprisingly well for battle. Still good movement with the long coat.

I'm not wanting this to be controversial. I just think there's a lot of cool stuff out there that people are overlooking.

[Iscah]

I should add that my argument is not intended as "why restrictions should not be lifted" as "why they are unlikely to be lifted and it's not a simple request that they are definitely able to fulfil, even if they want to".

And if it's not going to change, focus on understanding how it does work so we can make requests that are achievable within the current system and/or the devs' mindset, like asking for replica versions of key sets that we want.

I don't have an insight into the back end of the game, but I do spend a lot of time staring at the front end, wondering how it works and figuring out what its limitations might be. It's just how my mind naturally works. Ponder what's in the closed box and try to understand the shape of it by the little glimpses that we get.

[Raikai]

I just don't think it can be as simple as that, when their way of making things all-class is to release new specific glamour versions and even the glamour dresser is just a fancy new way of applying prisms according to the old system rules.

It seems that glamour relies on equippability rules to function, and if that's the case they may never be able to allow cross-class glamour without also opening up the ability to equip the item itself – which brings its own variety of chaos.

Wait, but I might be mistaken but didn't some old common items became "All Class" somewhere around HW or Stormblood? (Granted, that's equipabilitiy, not just glam)

But anyway, that is probably an issue as well. Quite alike to the one that we have with character customization that they need to intervene in the system's structure (code?) to be able to make room for actual additions... I suppose that would be the same case with separating "glamour capabilities" from "equipability".

My hopes are that they are meaning to invest resources in this. Actually, resources to invest in many aspects of ARR that are being held back by the meme's "sphagetti code".

[Raikai]

I do not work for SE, but everything I stated there was true.

We CANNOT glamour the level 60 Sky Pirate sets to other roles. That is a fact. They remain locked to their individual roles.

We can only glamour the level 1 Replica Sky Pirate sets. They are treated as separate items in the system. You can look up fan database sites like Garland Tools or Eorzea Collection and they are classified as independent items with a shared model.

I mean, the idea that there are technical walls keeping them from doing otherwise still exists, but in the case of the Sky Pirate set, my guess is that replica was merely intended to separate those items from the old items, so they could recycle them adding more rewards to the whole Ishgard Restoration for very little effort (they won't even dye differently) - that term "replica" has been used before, but still class-locking items (like the dreadwyrm sets, or the dyeable level 80 DoH/L items).

Like, if they chose (and had means) to made the Sky Pirate sets "All Cass", they would have to figure out something else to add for the Ishgard R. crafters.

[Tigerlilley]

Wait, but I might be mistaken but didn't some old common items became "All Class" somewhere around HW or Stormblood? (Granted, that's equipabilitiy, not just glam)

There was accessories, yes.

I should add that my argument is not intended as "why restrictions should not be lifted" as "why they are unlikely to be lifted and it's not a simple request that they are definitely able to fulfil, even if they want to".

And again, I point to examples like cooldown reset that we were told were impossible. It asked for over and over again and hey, they found a solution. The white knighting and "poor SE, code is hard" from you in every thread is honestly tiring.

I love this game and glamour is the worst thing, the absolute weakest point about it. Everyone wants them to do better.

[Tsiron]

Seems like this thread had about as much staying power as the one I made on the same topic...

[Flaws]

Seems like this thread had about as much staying power as the one I made on the same topic...

Yes, it appears that we need to bump it every now and then.

[BaconBits]

I'd love it if glamour restrictions were released if only so I could use my type-51 Yorha hoods on roles other than scouting and aiming. Every other hood has a weird shape to it and the only good one from Cryptlurker gear have masks that can't be removed with /visor.

[Driavna]

I'd love it if glamour restrictions were released if only so I could use my type-51 Yorha hoods on roles other than scouting and aiming. Every other hood has a weird shape to it and the only good one from Cryptlurker gear have masks that can't be removed with /visor.

IMO I think that restrictions is there to don't mess with greed/need system since in order to remove them SE has to do two things: change all items to "any DW/DM/DH/DL" or create a level 1 duplicate. Second option I don't imagine SE doing it since: something something my data base is about to explode... something something... why do you think we removed belts?".

I think a good option will be to turn any non current tier gear to "any DW/DM/DH/DL" and keep current with restriction until become non current. Not perfect but could work. I don't know.

[Tsiron]

The fact they were able to restrict *and* unlock dyeing on EW AF gear without giving us entirely new items makes me think they're working to untangle some things in the code? Hopefully this includes uncoupling being able to equip vs. Glamour gear