We really should be able to glamour other jobs' sets

[Tigerlilley]

The likely actual argument is a technical one. They probably cannot selectively make some designs free for all while keeping others (eg. job artifact gear) locked down.

Except, this isn't true in the slightest. They completely unlocked Sky Pirate sets and the world didn't fall apart. They've unlocked the marriage and gold saucer sets. They also opened the ARR monk sets for ninja to equip when ninja was released rather than go back and make seperate scouting sets for all the old dungeons.


And no, I meant Skalla, which is currently in Endwalker as crafted white gear, apologies on the spelling, point still stands.

[Tigerlilley]

I don't know about a new player, but within the overall design I think it looks like they have started with the base idea of "black stylish gear" and shaped each type towards the common style of each role. The "heavy" roles have tended towards practical trenchcoats; monk gets sleeveless gear again; aiming/scouting does look "ranger-y" and mages get frilly collars and ornate sleeves and embroidery.

And why should this be the standard, forever? Why should Aiming and NINJAS always look like rangers, why should Dancer have to suffer for this?

Sleevless gear for Monk AGAIN. Do you not think we're hard sick of it? We got one dress that we shared with healer (?) and that was great. Then never again. How does the Edengrace sets fit into your ideal here? They don't. And the world didn't fall apart and no one complained.

Pic, again: Monk sharing aesthetic with healer and caster with ninja. This is not a technological problem.



Mages frilly collars and embroidery, does this suit Summoner? Do long white robes suit Scholar and Sage? NO.

Everyone has been pidgeonholed in the same old designs for 10 years. Enough is enough. FREE THE GLAM.

[technole]

Law's Order Healing Set is a plate set. Also as GrizzlyTank mentioned, the fact that Healers have shared gear with tanks before remains (Gazelleskin coat for example) Why is it fine for tanks to wear light armor but healers can't use heavier armor ?

I see someone hasn't played Final Fantasy XII. Law's Order is all canon from the FFXII Judges, even Imperial Maguses in the game has light plates.

Same thing with Yorha, that's Nier canon but you can tell they made specific things for roles like a heavy coats doesn't exist for healers, nor does light dress 51 outside of casters.

[Iscah]

Except, this isn't true in the slightest. They completely unlocked Sky Pirate sets and the world didn't fall apart.

That actually is exactly what I'm talking about when I'm saying it's a technical issue and not just a gear appearance issue.

They couldn't just "unlock" glamouring of the existing sky pirate sets. They had to create a new set with a different list of who is able to equip it. At a system level, you still cannot equip the original level 60 gear and the game program regards it as an independent item, even though to our eyes it is the same thing.

Instead of asking for "everything" to be unlocked, which I don't think will ever happen, I think it's more productive to be asking for more specific set unlocks like this. Apparently the devs have indicated in the past that they would be willing to do it for some sets if there is demand, but we've seen nothing since the sky pirate sets.

They've unlocked the marriage and gold saucer sets. They also opened the ARR monk sets for ninja to equip when ninja was released rather than go back and make seperate scouting sets for all the old dungeons.

The marriage and GS unlocks are a different issue again: creating gear models for the opposite gender. Once they've done that, it doesn't affect anything about which classes can equip the gear.

And again, adding ninja to the early striking sets is about equippability. Ninja can equip those pieces, not glamour them while being unable to use them directly.

And why should this be the standard, forever? Why should Aiming and NINJAS always look like rangers, why should Dancer have to suffer for this?

They clearly have their thoughts on what each role should look like as an overall pattern, regardless of whether I agree with it. They might vary from it sometimes, but the overall drift is a clear style preference for each role, and I expect they will continue to tend towards it. They can't subvert it every time or it stops being a thing.

And I actually think dancer has a lot of gear that works for it – and I do include aiming gear, not just all-class gear (though I don't see a real divide as long as you can equip things that work for the role). It's honestly one of my favourite jobs to assemble glamours for. Tome gear has favoured the heavier ranger/armoured look but I think dungeon and crafted gear has favoured dancer.

Sleevless gear for Monk AGAIN. Do you not think we're hard sick of it? We got one dress that we shared with healer (?) and that was great. Then never again. How does the Edengrace sets fit into your ideal here? They don't. And the world didn't fall apart and no one complained.

"No one complained"? Did you not see how indignant some people got – and still get – that just once they dared to give striking DPS a dress instead of their usual gear style? Myself not included, but some others remain bitter about this particular set – so it seems like the devs are damned if they do, damned if they don't make sets that deviate from the expected styles. Someone will always be unhappy about it.

There are only ever three or four actual designs per gear series. Sometimes they clearly made those few designs with particular classes in mind, and other jobs just get the leftovers because they need to get something. Edengate has an "angelic" tendency to the designs (in keeping with the visuals of Eden itself) and they decided to reflect that in the gear style.

Perhaps behind the scenes, the costume designer drafted a number of options including some more melee-oriented ones, but ultimately it was decided that two of the mage options were worth making and they could just get shared to striking and scouting to make up the numbers.

Ultimately it comes down to that every role needs gear and every gear needs an appearance, and sometimes there isn't one that perfectly suits it. They are willing to share around some designs, and this evidently is one of them. But that still doesn't mean they can just let everyone access every design – again, whether this is a thematic issue for them or simply a technical one.

Mages frilly collars and embroidery, does this suit Summoner? NO.

It... isn't? Really? I don't see what's specifically un-summoner-ish about the Type-53 top. Though summoner has a pretty vague style identity in any case, besides "silly-looking horn headgear".

And ultimately, its role-based. The role-based glamours do (or should) vary between providing things that suit different classes within the role. The short coat suits the healers that aren't suited to robes.

[Avidria]

It matters cause YoshiP said so, and has stuck by it.

Healers don't get to wear heavy tank jackets like Edenmorn.

The most armor-like healers ever had was light armor or chain mail, the best healer top in the game is still the Alex Creator chest. Nothing else has ever been heavy armor for healer or caster.

I mean, my point is it shouldn't matter. I disagree with the rationale that proper gear type should matter when we have an in universe explanation for anyone to wear whatever they want whenever they want (glamour prisms).

I do agree with the poster saying there's probably a technical limitation preventing them from unlocking everything. But I would definitely like to see more things unlocked, or at least more variety in styles. Because yeah, I am super not a fan of most dragoon gear. The current tome set in particular is, imo, ugly as sin, and also in zero ways says "reaper" to me. So. There's that.

[LisSquid]

"No one complained"? Did you not see how indignant some people got – and still get – that just once they dared to give striking DPS a dress instead of their usual gear style? Myself not included, but some others remain bitter about this particular set – so it seems like the devs are damned if they do, damned if they don't make sets that deviate from the expected styles. Someone will always be unhappy about it.

I think that's kind of a vote in favor of unlocking the glam options, no? Every tier isn't going to be something you like, and set envy is real. I think, especially with something like savage sets, you earned it so you can glam it.

And ultimately, its role-based. The role-based glamours do (or should) vary between providing things that suit different classes within the role. The short coat suits the healers that aren't suited to robes.

In full agreement. This gives a full range of looks, provided each job in the set can have a bone thrown their way (sorry, Dancers, SE has been so very cruel). I don't see why we can't add some sort of system to remove role restrictions from non-AF sets when used within the glamour chest, though.

[Iscah]

I don't see why we can't add some sort of system to remove role restrictions from non-AF sets when used within the glamour chest, though.

Again I think it's a technical issue. The glamour dresser ultimately is not so much a "new" system as a very complicated add-on to the old system. It lets us store and organise glamours in a way that the basic prism method can't, but its final output is to apply a glamour to gear as if you had used a prism.

It affects storage and application, but once it has applied that "this gear has been glamoured as X" label, that's where it influence ends. It has not touched the way that the rest of the system handles the instruction to display X when the gear is equipped, or the rules applied to whether X is available to be seen on your current class.

This all suggests to me that, since they didn't want to alter the original system and instead chose to build around it, it might be something too hard to tinker with.

[LisSquid]

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Yeah, I definitely think this is the core of it. Does make you think, with so many new items get put into the game, that seeking to invest in a less memory intensive system would be a net gain for all around. Probably the only way to see role unlocked glam, as to make true role-unlocks is to create an entirely different set (replica sky pirate).

[Tigerlilley]

That actually is exactly what I'm talking about when I'm saying it's a technical issue and not just a gear appearance issue.

They couldn't just "unlock" glamouring of the existing sky pirate sets. They had to create a new set with a different list of who is able to equip it. At a system level, you still cannot equip the original level 60 gear and the game program regards it as an independent item, even though to our eyes it is the same thing.

Do you work for SE? Do you understand their backend? No. You're wildly speculating. This is like when every request on the forum was answered with "PS4 limitations".

Perhaps behind the scenes, the costume designer drafted a number of options including some more melee-oriented ones, but ultimately it was decided that two of the mage options were worth making and they could just get shared to striking and scouting to make up the numbers.

You have also completely made this up.

And again, adding ninja to the early striking sets is about equippability. Ninja can equip those pieces, not glamour them while being unable to use them directly.

My point here was that they didn't have to make an entire set for ninja. Again, you have no idea how the back end works. This is such a poor excuse for defending mediocrity from SE. Boohoo, something might be too hard.

And I actually think dancer has a lot of gear that works for it – and I do include aiming gear, not just all-class gear (though I don't see a real divide as long as you can equip things that work for the role). It's honestly one of my favourite jobs to assemble glamours for. Tome gear has favoured the heavier ranger/armoured look but I think dungeon and crafted gear has favoured dancer.

This is an absolute reach. I get that there are white knights on this forum hell-bent on defending everything SE does, but, really. Come on. Is it so hard to accept that people want something new and improved in the game?

"No one complained"? Did you not see how indignant some people got – and still get – that just once they dared to give striking DPS a dress instead of their usual gear style?

I've mained monk since beta. I saw no one complain about that dress. Everyone was so suprised.

It... isn't? Really? I don't see what's specifically un-summoner-ish about the Type-53 top. Though summoner has a pretty vague style identity in any case, besides "silly-looking horn headgear".

And ultimately, its role-based. The role-based glamours do (or should) vary between providing things that suit different classes within the role. The short coat suits the healers that aren't suited to robes.

Your opinion, which is, like the rest, only your opinion. Can you not see by 13 pages of people asking for unlocked glamour that maybe the majority disagree with you? Yoshi P has said plenty of things weren't possible and then they later changed it. Remember the uproar about cooldown resets? He fought back against that for years. Actual years. Then we wake up one day and hey, our cooldowns reset on a wipe. Almost like they have a paid team of professional programmers that figured out a solution. MAGIC.

[Tsiron]

The way I see it if the devs decide something's worth doing they'll figure it out, and probably the only way we'll get to that point is if enough of us speak up to show there's demand. And given this comes up in basically every Glamour-related thread, I'd say there's plenty...