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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    And Squenix taking away another players name to give it to a streamer would be a PR disaster for them. Because it would be seen as favoritism.
    So .. you're more OK with literal crime than perceived favouritism?

    SE doesn't have to give the name to the OP, but they can sure as hell ban the character using the name, not only is impersonation a crime, it's also against ToS.
    SE has every right and an obligation to intervene.

    SE terminating an account for breaking ToS AND law is perfectly reasonable.
    It's on the OP to try to get their name back once the offender has been dealt with.

    "Square refuses to help a player whose name was taken and used to impersonate and coerce them"

    "Square assisted a player whose name was maliciously taken during a transfer issue and used to coerce and impersonate them"

    Which story is worse PR?
    Even if the OP never gets their original name back, the one who took it needs to be punished for their behaviour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    It doesn't matter if someone is using a name as their brand. They do not own the name within the game. Names are first come, first serve.

    Someone having the same name does not mean they are attempting to impersonate another person. To be impersonating, they would have to be telling others that they are the other person.
    Did you even read my post?
    Taken names are common, especially for streamers.
    However, the difference is how that name is used.
    If they just play normally, no one would even notice.
    If they used the name and proclaimed they were someone they weren't, that's a crime and it has repercussions for the person being impersonated.
    Public image is important to brands, even more so for streamers who can lose sponsorships and monetization if the impersonator manages to fool the right people.
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    Last edited by Sylve; 01-28-2022 at 02:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    So .. you're more OK with literal crime than perceived favouritism?

    SE doesn't have to give the name to the OP, but they can sure as hell ban the character using the name, not only is impersonation a crime, it's also against ToS.
    SE has every right and an obligation to intervene.

    SE terminating an account for breaking ToS AND law is perfectly reasonable.
    It's on the OP to try to get their name back once the offender has been dealt with.

    "Square refuses to help a player whose name was taken and used to impersonate and coerce them"

    "Square assisted a player whose name was maliciously taken during a transfer issue and used to coerce and impersonate them"

    Which story is worse PR?
    Even if the OP never gets their original name back, the one who took it needs to be punished for their behaviour.
    Please stop trying to be an internet lawyer. It's ridiculously cringe.

    There is no crime and any law enforcement agency on the planet would laugh at you...as would any lawyer if you try to portray it as such.
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    Last edited by Conundrum; 01-28-2022 at 04:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    Did you even read my post?
    Taken names are common, especially for streamers.
    However, the difference is how that name is used.
    If they just play normally, no one would even notice.
    If they used the name and proclaimed they were someone they weren't, that's a crime and it has repercussions for the person being impersonated.
    Public image is important to brands, even more so for streamers who can lose sponsorships and monetization if the impersonator manages to fool the right people.
    Yes I did read it. I guess you don't understand basic concepts.

    Streamers do not own their name.

    Having the same name as a streamer does not mean you're impersonating that streamer.

    A streamer trying to build a brand using a common real life name that millions of people have is an exceptionally dumb streamer. No one is going to run into a "Sarah Jane" and automatically think "oh that must be the FFXIV streamer". If you really want to build a brand, pick a name that's both catchy and unique.

    Sponsors probably aren't going to take action against a Sarah Jane streamer because of something a random Sarah Jane has done. If they're that dumb, find better sponsors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    So .. you're more OK with literal crime than perceived favouritism?
    lmfao you and anyone who agrees with you are being ridiculous. this is basically bullying and very much a "just look away from the screen". harassment? yeah sure report to discord/in game when the person harasses the OP in game. otherwise? nothing the gms can do, Sarah Jane is literally the most plain name in the universe. SE shouldn't give the name away because "I had it first for my twitch and it's my brand!" pick a better name

    there's no crime other than feeling entitled to an username lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    And Squenix taking away another players name to give it to a streamer would be a PR disaster for them. Because it would be seen as favoritism.
    This depends on if it's trademarked. I know Towelliee''s name is trademarked, and he's had several games force the company to give him the name and they have done so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    For regular players a name means very little.
    For Streamers or other content creators, Their character names are often associated with their brand.

    If someone just took it to annoy them by never actually using the character, that's fine. Happens to all streamers who play MMOs.
    The problem is when someone uses that name to impersonate you.
    That can do irreparable damage to people with a public image, like a streamer.

    Doing or saying something while pretending to be someone else can cause loss of sponsorships, channel demonetizations etc.

    Losing your name to a normal player is not the problem.
    Impersonation and attempted coercion are literal crimes.
    It doesn't matter if someone is using a name as their brand. They do not own the name within the game. Names are first come, first serve.

    Someone having the same name does not mean they are attempting to impersonate another person. To be impersonating, they would have to be telling others that they are the other person.
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    Name on transfers are never guaranteed but a person can take steps to try and ensure they have them.

    1) Make an alt (on the same account) on the world you want to transfer to with the name you want
    2) Initiate the transfer process
    3) Wait
    4) When the character is showing on the world screen then delete the alt with the name you want to use
    5) Click on the main character and rename it

    It is unfortunate that due to a mistake the name got returned to the "pool" and taken by someone else but that's what happens sadly. SE makes no guarantees over who gets what name so you have no leg to stand on there. SE also do not police what happens on other platforms. If the person has messaged you in game then they will pay attention.
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    They are standing in front of me atm, talking to momodi, i dont think its a bot
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    Lol, that "deadline" made me crack up. What sort of baddie does this person think they are? I bet they said nothing when OP explained that's impossible because people are in the middle of transferring, like a kidnapper who hangs up on the hostage's relative when they say "how am I supposed to get the money?"
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    Bad Wolf not Black Wolf
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