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  1. #41
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    Silly_Rabbit's Avatar
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    Silly Rabbit
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AziraSyuren View Post
    PF doesn't do this anymore really, unless the job is unreasonably lower than all the others in its category (like PLD was), or if they're trying to parse at the highest end and certain jobs sandbag their RDPS (like WAR for every job with a crit buff).

    In the case of the former, it's just because the job, as I said, causes the fight to become noticeably more difficult than it would be otherwise (certain day 1 comps were within damage/crit variance of being impossible to clear the tier with, if I recall). In the case of the latter, lmao
    Yet today already saw bunch of party's with 3 melees and 1 caster locked in.
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    Last edited by Silly_Rabbit; 02-12-2022 at 08:58 AM.

  2. #42
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    Shiroe's Avatar
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    Character
    Ohlala Chica
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 100
    Blm & Sam ofc should do the most personal dps, and since they bring no utility, also have justified to do more overall more dps, when they get buffed.

    Just all the other dps, shouldn't be soo far behind them R-dps wise.
    Sure obviously dps with more usefull utility (or actually sought after utility most in parties), should be on the lower half..
    - imo Mnk, Reaper, Drg & Nin should all have about the same R-dps (maybe Rpr a tick more, with Mkn very close, cause the other three have more sought after / stronger utility)
    - Mch should have the most physical ranged dps; it's too low atm; should probably on paar with Rpr or Mnk (and not quit as high as Blm / Smn)

    - Smn should be on par with Drg, Nin & Rpr atleast (or higher, .but the rez probably holds thrm back dps wise)
    ...Smn utility is not as sought after, besides Smn having MP issues for rezes, ​mentioned once before, Smn rez is very unflexable atm due to Smn's MP consumption; .. and Smn use Swiftcast a lot, they have to in a few many scenarios, and if hardcasting is needed, than 75% of the cases, its a lost cause either way (aside of some prog);
    Phoenix healing can just as well be non-existent; .. the Searing Light buff is ok aka 1.5'ish sought after utility..
    .... Smn should like mentioned here on par with, Nin (Nin has only "one" utility, but it's the most sought after and strongest dps buff of the whole game), Drg (next most sought after and strong dps buff, besides a ok single dps buff),
    .. imo Smn should have dps on par with Rpr & Mnk, or atleast as Nin & Drg (or something inbetween)
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  3. #43
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    Aikaal's Avatar
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    Aikaal Leyma
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    Blm & Sam ofc should do the most personal dps, and since they bring no utility, also have justified to do more overall more dps, when they get buffed.

    Just all the other dps, shouldn't be soo far behind them R-dps wise.
    Sure obviously dps with more usefull utility (or actually sought after utility most in parties), should be on the lower half..
    - imo Mnk, Reaper, Drg & Nin should all have about the same R-dps (maybe Rpr a tick more, with Mkn very close, cause the other three have more sought after / stronger utility)
    - Mch should have the most physical ranged dps; it's too low atm; should probably on paar with Rpr or Mnk (and not quit as high as Blm / Smn)

    - Smn should be on par with Drg, Nin & Rpr atleast (or higher, .but the rez probably holds thrm back dps wise)
    ...Smn utility is not as sought after, besides Smn having MP issues for rezes, ​mentioned once before, Smn rez is very unflexable atm due to Smn's MP consumption; .. and Smn use Swiftcast a lot, they have to in a few many scenarios, and if hardcasting is needed, than 75% of the cases, its a lost cause either way (aside of some prog);
    Phoenix healing can just as well be non-existent; .. the Searing Light buff is ok aka 1.5'ish sought after utility..
    .... Smn should like mentioned here on par with, Nin (Nin has only "one" utility, but it's the most sought after and strongest dps buff of the whole game), Drg (next most sought after and strong dps buff, besides a ok single dps buff),
    .. imo Smn should have dps on par with Rpr & Mnk, or atleast as Nin & Drg (or something inbetween)
    Caster DPS is in a really weird and bad spot imho. Both RDM & SMN are fed up with the raise tax. SMN is especially in a worst position. Not only does Swiftcast is mainstream in their DPS rotation so they can't provide consistent raise, but they are just straight up worst than RDM in term of damage. The point being is if you don't bring a reliable raise, you may as well just bring the pure caster DPS that does 8% more than SMN. Swapping to RDM was the best decision because I get to play a brain dead job that has no caveat other than lower damage than BLM compared to a brain dead job with a crap ton caveats.

    If you want to see results; mind you I do not farm logs so I'm mainly doing clear runs and casual progression until I'm BiS and I will go hard on farming logs but... my RDM has a 580 weapon versus a 590 on my SMN. My RDm still does better on a fight I had not the change to practice or optimize compared to playing SMN none stop since 6.0. The skill ceiling is so low on SMN that its stupid. Not a reason for the job to be underperforming so badly.



    Edit, yeah, SMN got a rework. So does MNK and MNK is pretty good. It feels like they butchered SMN entirely. I'm sure it's a concern they are discussing. But, straight up, Embolden > Searing Light. I tax about 200 more DPS on my RDM than my SMN.
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    Last edited by Aikaal; 02-13-2022 at 02:18 AM.

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