Thread: Job Balancing 6.08 (still needs work)

Originally Posted by Taranok

And all it took was removing the nerf on Xenoglossy and increasing the potency on practically everything (except Despair) across the board to fix it. It's quite interesting to see how they nerfed the class going into EW so massively and gave it the single largest buff I've seen since about 4.1 when Fire 4 became a 2.8s cast with 300 potency (from 3s/260 iirc, or was that multiple patches).

They truly were fine with reaper. It was everyone else who was in an awful position.

The disparity between the top and bottom now is so much worse than it was in 6.05, if reapers DPS put everything else in an awful position what does 6.08 BLM, MNK and SAM do lol? BLM is an astounding 500 rDPS ahead of its role now, and the gap is much, much larger in its pDPS. BLM is definitely the most egregiously overtuned job at the moment(to the point its DPS is so massive it's probably worth bringing 2 of them since their DPS probably outweighs the 1% buff) but monk and samurai aren't too far behind. Reaper is also now in a terrible spot, it has the worst raid buff of the melee and its personal dps is so far behind SAM and now even MNK which was already ahead of it that it's likely now the weakest melee aside from possibly ninja, so if they are fine with that than they are apparently fine with bad balance.

I think that the bard/dancer are at a good level, on the other hand the machinist must take a massive buff, because currently nothing justifies his weak position.

Same for the summoner/red mage who since the blm buff are outdps of 1200 on average or even more, it's too much, by correcting certain problems they create others because the melee are too strong, and the mage black is the only caster to have a very consistent balance.

The combat in this game at high levels(speed and so on) has gotten so unbearably stale and boring it's not even funny and the current balance AFTER this patch is the likely the worst it's ever been. I have no idea what the OP is on but those are some of worst takes I've seen since the Monk, BLM and Samurai buffs by the "balancing" team. Whoever is balancing this game clearly has no idea what raid buffs do and their interaction with burst windows. Right now and basically for years already if you're not taking Samurai and BLM in optimization runs you're griefing and this 'buff the samurai' meta is so old along with the homogenized after thought button presses of 3-5% damage up with varying cooldowns just to pad the "selfish" DPS jobs. In no fair game should BLM be doing 9% more DPS above their role counterparts regulating them to completely useless after prog when people shouldn't be dying anymore anyway. In no fair game should a job without a raid buff be doing more _raid dps_ than a job with one, in additional to doing an astounding 7-10% more personal dps and the fact this game centralizes and balances around TWO jobs and just tacks on lazy damage buffs to everything else so they can buff them in perpetuity is just boring and bland. Combine this with the dumbing down of everything and the combat is so bad at this point it's actively harming my enjoyment of the game.

tl;dr nerf Samurai and BLM into the ground, give them a raid buff since you're already homogenizing everything anyway.

Originally Posted by Xander_Diabolos

A few examples:
Monk has 20% speed due to Greased Lightning III. Give them 40% attack/skill speed to make them do really fast weapon skills vs stronger ones. This would give a whole new feel to Monk. Going from 2 > 1.6 seconds to 2 > 1.2 would feel much faster and rewarding at the higher levels.

Uuum..
No MNK wouldn't be down to 1.2 GCD, MNK have around 2s GCD WITH GL not without like you're saying.

MNK is already fast enough to the point double-weaving is problematic it doesn't need to be faster.
For one this would ruin one of the openers.
Tbh I think even single-weaving would begin to feel awkward and run a higher risk of clipping.

What MNK needs imo isn't to be faster in terms of GCD MNK is already as fast as you can get basically and still have it be functional.
What MNK needs is faster animations, the base combo animations are extremely outdated and don't look at all like how you'd imagine a fast Martial Artist.
They look and feel slow and awkward.

Originally Posted by Xander_Diabolos

Right now I feel if you do not play Reaper you aren't doing decent damage in comparison. Ranged makes sense to do a little less damage since you have a lot more freedom, but other melee shouldn't be this weak in comparison.

Dragoon:
Raiden Thrust > Vorpal Thrust > Heaven Thrust > Fang and Claw > Wheeling Thrust
280 > 280 > 480 > 300 > 300 potency means an average 328 potency per weapon skill

Don't forget about Lance Mastery I, the 5th combo is 400 potency.
But also don't forget positional in the combos, something reaper doesn't have to worry about whatsoever.

Why are we comparing combo ppgcd for jobs with varying %oGCD damage... instead of just comparing their average ppm and their typical bonus damage given to the party -- or just their outright rDPS?

There’s a reason there’s such a ranged DPS shortage. No one wants to play that role. The ranged tax needs to either be removed, or reduced.

Melee DPS are fine. They’re all in a relatively good spot.

Smn now needs a buff the most!..., and its rez is like "half" an utility

(Smn loses so much MP during the fight, it can't handel rezs later into fights well; .. the phoenix healing is minimal, might as well be taken out.., only the damage buff schould considered full utility, but than other dps have more usfull utility and still outclass Smn dps by HUGE margins)

There’s a reason there’s such a ranged DPS shortage. No one wants to play that role. The ranged tax needs to either be removed, or reduced.

Melee DPS are fine. They’re all in a relatively good spot.