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    Calypsx's Avatar
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    Caly Umbra
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    Faerie
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    Dancer Lv 90

    The dancer buffs are good but the aoe now feels somewhat clunky.

    Dancer used to be a 2 target aoe job before this update and it was pretty unique and fun for that. However the new buffs sort of change things.

    As it is right now the main aoe combo is a loss on two targets, reverse cascade and rising windmill are equal, and bloodshower is better than fountainfall. This means you'll be looking for a bloodshower proc when there's two targets but the rest are ignored. With fan dance 2 remaining optimal on 2 targets it all just feels unnatural.

    Can you maybe give our aoe combo moves a bit more love so we can go back to how things were before? I feel this would be harmless considering dancer was a 2 target aoe job in Shadowbringers and it doesn't touch single target damage.
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    Last edited by Calypsx; 01-28-2022 at 11:24 AM.

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    Crystal Skye
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Huh, I never even thought of that...

    It is kind of odd not gonna lie. The fact it isn't consistent and changes based on proc definitely makes things weird.
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    Kawaiian Punch
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Dancer used to be a 2 target aoe job before this update and it was pretty unique and fun for that. However the new buffs sort of change things.

    As it is right now the main aoe combo is a loss on two targets
    Lots of jobs lost their two-target aoe. Dancer's not alone in this. It may be an expected design choice. Dancer still has decent cleave though.
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    Dancer Lv 90
    While that is true why would they wait until now to change it? It was still a 2 target aoe job at the start of Endwalker. They even adjusted the potencies of both single target and aoe combos from Shadowbringers in order to keep things as they were. It just seems odd to change that now while still having bloodshower and fan dance 2 remain optimal on 2 targets.
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    Last edited by Calypsx; 01-28-2022 at 11:29 AM.

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    Chantine Sondraix
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    For what it's worth, your main combo loses 20 potency and then bloodshower is stronger by 20 potency. Every time you AoE combo on 2 targets, you have a 50% chance to be 20 potency behind and a 50% chance to be even on potency. So yeah, Dancer lost 2 target AoE but it definitely wasn't unique. It's late so unless I am forgetting something, a very simple example is BRD. The basic ST combo is an effective 241 potency average and the AoE is an effective 144 per target, 47 potency superior at 2 targets (assuming they can both be hit with a 12y cone).

    It IS pretty weird how they would change it in the middle of a patch and not really comment on it I suppose. But the scope of the change is pretty minimal. What's the overlap between "Caring about 10 potency" and "Fighting 2 targets"? I feel like the former is only applicable when doing high level content, which is generally not where you will find the latter.
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    Kaedys Kor
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    Exodus
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    Red Mage Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    For what it's worth, your main combo loses 20 potency and then bloodshower is stronger by 20 potency. Every time you AoE combo on 2 targets, you have a 50% chance to be 20 potency behind and a 50% chance to be even on potency.
    Ya, but that means the standard guidance atm is to use your single target 1-2 combo, and then spend your procs on the AoE ones, against 2 targets. It's very awkward. It also goes completely against their "we made your AoE buttons change into dance steps so you don't have to change hotbars!" thing in Endwalker. Now you either need to change hotbars, have ST and AoE on the same hotbar (that's what I do, but I'm on KB/Mouse, not controller), or have a third hotbar setup just for 2-target cleave that has your single target 1-2 and your AoE procs.
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