6.08 buffs, what´s the point?!

[ssunny2008]

I get that some classes like DNC, MCH or NIN needed a buff and i´m glad that RPR didn´t got one. But what´s the point with the rest?

MNK has already been top DPS and gets a buff, like why? Because the playercount is still to low for its rework, so SE wants to bring more ppl to that aweful job? The rotation isn´t hard or interesting to justify this.

MCH on the other hand... what are those buffs? It doesn´t even scale as well as BRD / DNC with more gear and good teammembers.


So what´s the point of balancing? You don´t keep class-difficulty in mind, but you do? We still have to pay a sick rangetax, but on the other hand some easy to play chars like MNK / RPR sit on the top and get even buffed?

And where are the nerfs?

[Gruntler]

Jobs were underperforming relative to content so they needed to be buffed to be put in line with their expected and desired output within content /thread

[ssunny2008]

Jobs were underperforming relative to content so they needed to be buffed to be put in line with their expected and desired output within content /thread

Some of them yes, but SAM, BLM, especially MNK? No chance... With all the buffs and 0 nerfs across the board, the content will just get easier and fool-proofed if we talk about DPS-checks.

[ForteNightshade]

Some of them yes, but SAM, BLM, especially MNK? No chance... With all the buffs and 0 nerfs across the board, the content will just get easier and fool-proofed if we talk about DPS-checks.

Samurai and Black Mage were. Both were getting pretty noticeably outclassed by Monk and Reaper. Considering they're both supposed to be the "selfish" job, it never made much sense how much better Reaper was. Of course that doesn't really excuse why Monk got a buff when it's hilariously strong right now. Every other buff was needed, though Machinist definitely got the raw end of the deal.

We're already long passed the point where DPS-checks are getting stomped on. Only P4S has one, and that's only because people haven't all gotten their weapons yet. We're two weeks out from tome weapons too. So even players not clearing P3S will have a massive power swing coming. So making the fights mildly easier won't really have any impact.

[ssunny2008]

Samurai and Black Mage were. Both were getting pretty noticeably outclassed by Monk and Reaper. Considering they're both supposed to be the "selfish" job, it never made much sense how much better Reaper was. Of course that doesn't really excuse why Monk got a buff when it's hilariously strong right now. Every other buff was needed, though Machinist definitely got the raw end of the deal.

We're already long passed the point where DPS-checks are getting stomped on. Only P4S has one, and that's only because people haven't all gotten their weapons yet. We're two weeks out from tome weapons too. So even players not clearing P3S will have a massive power swing coming. So making the fights mildly easier won't really have any impact.

I know about BLM and SAM, but it was not needed to buff them. Just nerf MNK / RPR and we would´ve what has been needed. The current "buff only" mentality makes the content nothing but easier. And the question "what´s their way of balancing" is still in the room. They say that they won´t balance around difficulty, but we pay a range-tax. On the other hand stuff is claimed like above "busy jobs...", while they´re not the busiest. So yeah, the only way why MNK and RPR has to be so powerful is to get ppl into them, or not?!

Every fight has a DPS check and a lot of ppl can´t past P2s enrage even with LB3 and no deaths. They´re just not good players and this patch does a lot to them. Instead of learning to execute their class a bit better, they can rely on huge buffs. It just doesn´t make sense to call something savage then, when they keep making it easier and easier, no matter how irrelevant it might be for top players.

[Duskane]

you just gotta cope my guy
also the event gear suits you

[ForteNightshade]

I know about BLM and SAM, but it was not needed to buff them. Just nerf MNK / RPR and we would´ve what has been needed. The current "buff only" mentality makes the content nothing but easier. And the question "what´s their way of balancing" is still in the room. They say that they won´t balance around difficulty, but we pay a range-tax. On the other hand stuff is claimed like above "busy jobs...", while they´re not the busiest. So yeah, the only way why MNK and RPR has to be so powerful is to get ppl into them, or not?!

Every fight has a DPS check and a lot of ppl can´t past P2s enrage even with LB3 and no deaths. They´re just not good players and this patch does a lot to them. Instead of learning to execute their class a bit better, they can rely on huge buffs. It just doesn´t make sense to call something savage then, when they keep making it easier and easier, no matter how irrelevant it might be for top players.

Like it or not, the dev team is pretty adamantly against nerfs largely because people dislike them. Yoshida has frequently said as much. And he isn't entirely wrong either. People will complain far more over nerfs than they will other jobs being buffed around them despite it ultimately achieving the same result. The range tax has nothing to do with difficulty but the devs having a silly notion free mobility actually has any value in this game.

None of these buffs matter to anyone struggling to clear P2S' enrage, which is laughably easy at this stage. For perspective sake, running WAR/PLD or DNC over BRD week 1 required your group to be seeing 50% enrage on the door boss and like sub 1% on the second half. Melee LB3 alone is upwards of 3-4%. If you're still seeing enrage at that point, it's because you have a fundamental misunderstanding of your job or other people in the static do. These buffs aren't going to make a lick of difference for those players.

don't get me wrong i'm happy that SAM was buffed, but honestly, it's still quite lackluster. why the SAM melee combo are still now the weakest of all melee? why we still have a 2 combo that we need to be use every minutes that deal crap damage? but the true question is why sam is still behind other in terms of dps even with this buff. SAM don't have party buff or utility... if is damage is lackluster people will not want to bring him.

Because you're looking at the wrong metric. aDPS matters far more to Samurai than rDPS because it lacks utility. Even with that said, these buffs alone will undoubtedly push it into the meta conversations. Several speed groups are already dropping Reaper for Samurai because it feeds into buffs better, especially now that Dancer will likely eclipse Bard. You're severely underestimating just how strong Samurai is now. It's not leaps above Reaper, but it's very competitive. Anyone refusing a Samurai is... well, naive to put it politely. Dragoon and Ninja are the the fringe melee jobs right now, not Samurai.

[Dionysius]

They said it previously that busier job (monk 39.8 average apm) should at least have slightly higher dps than less busier ones (reaper 36.0 apm).

[ssunny2008]

They said it previously that busier job (monk) should at least have slightly higher dps than less busier ones.

MNK isn´t busier than others, only RPR. DRG,NIN and SAM have more actions per minute due to a bunch of oGCD´s, even or more positionals and stuff like Mudra. And the only time where MNK gets somehow busy if every 120s, meanwhile camping behind the boss in the whole burstwindow. BLM is far away from being busy aswell and RPR is still stronger than other melees while sitting on a high GCD timing with less stuff to do than DRG.

[Kolsykol]

They said it previously that busier job (monk) should at least have slightly higher dps than less busier ones.

MNK isn't busy at all lol.
It honestly feels slow and it is on the average APM side of things.

It's not particularly mechanically difficult either and you spend most of the time not doing much else than 123.