Summoner - Why the new "buffs" are not working

[Aikaal]

The BLM buff was the most perplexing part of the patch. I guess being Yoshi-Ps preferred job really pays off huh?

The blm buffs were mostly just to get it above rpr since they didn't want to nerf rpr at all. In fact, most of the buff we saw to melee jobs and selfless jobs was supposed to do that but seems by the theorized list only blm and mnk were pushed above rpr. Rpr imo is still overturned for the amount of uility it brings into a party and I really think they going to have to nerf it at some point.

That is correct but there is merit to question why BLM is 1k above MCH right now. So I see why people feel the dev are biased because I feel that way. Probably not the case but they sure don't reflect it properly on the changes... I personally would have preferred no changes because 6.08 causes more harm than good right now imho.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

That is correct but there is merit to question why BLM is 1k above MCH right now. So I see why people feel the dev are biased because I feel that way. Probably not the case but they sure don't reflect it properly on the changes... I personally would have preferred no changes because 6.08 causes more harm than good right now imho.

Well to be honest I rather they just nerf rpr instead of trying to bring "all" the jobs to it level. I do understand tho I always felt blm was the favorite since yoshi p has always been open about how much he loves blm. So that leads to ppl feeling that way. I felt it about smn bc smn has always felt like no one plays it on the dev team bc it always had problems in each expac. As for mch they got shafted badly and I don't understand why they did buff it more bc now it looks like it's taking dnc place which is dumb.

[Aikaal]

I agree nerfing RPR would have been simplier, but they dont like the idea... Monk was already better DPS than RPR and they buffed MNK like... why dudeeeeee. I want to trust you but your actions tell me not to trust you

[Equitable_Remedy]

Why the new "buffs" are not working

It hasn't even been a day.

[Grimoire-M]

Summoner can remain bottom of the meters till 7.0. Sad fact is history proves that 6.1 will most likely NOT change that it's a ranged DPS with a raise in practice, so it absolutely earns its spot. It doesn't have anything to DO that warrants a buff. And it got clears week 1 with ranged DPS that were weaker than it with bad players on the good melee when it was objectively weaker. It's absolutely fine where it is.

It needs better gameplay before it can get a buff. If one happens without the other I'd be pissed, but as is? It's absolutely fine. Whining about having to hold Swiftcast for Ifrit is an absolute joke. Energy Drains on Scholar and Lilies on White Mage are more of a loss than the .3s you're saving. Hell every other res class loses more damage than you gain if they have to raise in your place because of it. Your gain is also low enough that ping or failing to queue your GCDs properly will screw you long before it matters. Hell a single melee positional loses more damage. Some nearly twice as much. You can make up the difference by auto-attacking the boss. It's that small.

[Aikaal]

Summoner can remain bottom of the meters till 7.0. Sad fact is history proves that 6.1 will most likely NOT change that it's a ranged DPS with a raise in practice, so it absolutely earns its spot. It doesn't have anything to DO that warrants a buff. And it got clears week 1 with ranged DPS that were weaker than it with bad players on the good melee when it was objectively weaker. It's absolutely fine where it is.

It needs better gameplay before it can get a buff. If one happens without the other I'd be pissed, but as is? It's absolutely fine. Whining about having to hold Swiftcast for Ifrit is an absolute joke. Energy Drains on Scholar and Lilies on White Mage are more of a loss than the .3s you're saving. Hell every other res class loses more damage than you gain if they have to raise in your place because of it. Your gain is also low enough that ping or failing to queue your GCDs properly will screw you long before it matters. Hell a single melee positional loses more damage. Some nearly twice as much. You can make up the difference by auto-attacking the boss. It's that small.

Oh boy, you know you are the most neutral and unbiased point of view when you start by saying "Summoner can remain bottom of the meters." Just say it if you hate the job so we can ignore what you're saying.

For you're record; with proper party buffers, the proper SMN rotation is Baha > Ruda > Titan > Ifrit > Phoe > Ifrit > Ruda/Titan. Those Ifrit windows are locked and you'd lose DPS to move them.
- On buff window, Garuda swiftcast slipstream is a better DPS than using it on Ifrit. You go Ifrit first on the second minute to keep your swiftcast on the rotation so you prep it on the next buff window Ruda's Slipstream. Yes, you do have to deal with mechanics that involve you moving while casting those sweet Ifrit spells. It's perfectly fine but that tells you how optimized Summoner has little to no care about mobility since it provide 0 DPS. As a fact, the community build strats around melee uptime and Casters not having to move much.

On average, SMN should be doing about the same than RDM right now. What they need is alleviate restrictions that makes really, really, stupid strats to deal with the restrictive simple rotation. Because yeah, people still go ahead and find the best way to DPS, even if it means spamming Ruin III for 2 minutes in P3S on add phase.

[HappyHubris]

I agree nerfing RPR would have been simplier, but they dont like the idea... Monk was already better DPS than RPR and they buffed MNK like... why dudeeeeee. I want to trust you but your actions tell me not to trust you

Buffing MNK only affects like six people worldwide, so it's sort of a fluff change. I tried to main MNK and bring it to 7 for Endwalker, but the jank did me in.

[Aikaal]

Buffing MNK only affects like six people worldwide, so it's sort of a fluff change. I tried to main MNK and bring it to 7 for Endwalker, but the jank did me in.

Oh, yeah, the MNK buff was very minor. Point is, MCH who needed a lot more support got about the same treatment while MNK was top already xD

[remiff]

The problem is that the summoner is where they want him to be.

and unfortunately the gameplay, the way the job is designed is very clearly problematic on many points, including those mentioned on this thread,
It remains to be seen if they will do any major adjustments for 6.1, but I have very serious doubts, because devs think that the summoner is in a perfect state, which is very clearly not the case.

I think the damage buffs the summoner needs are relatively minor like adding 70p to ruby ​​rites and 40p to ruby ​​catastrophe, or either boosting the team buff if they think the summoner should be ranged magical dps, on the other hand, there are really a lot of design errors on the kit that need to be corrected, and it's really something that is more important to me than seeing potency adjustments.

[ThorneDynasty]

I agree nerfing RPR would have been simplier, but they dont like the idea... Monk was already better DPS than RPR and they buffed MNK like... why dudeeeeee. I want to trust you but your actions tell me not to trust you

I think they would rather boost every job's DPS around Reaper, then quietly increase the HP of bosses in upcoming raids, than directly nerf Reaper DPS. You don't need to look far to find babies who will lose their shit if their number go down, and that's just the kind of solution that will fool most them. Although I'm sure plenty are still crying over not doing top tier personal DPS on a very straightforward utility job.