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    CKNovel's Avatar
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AzazelCaine View Post
    This. Thank-you. I have always tried - even in snore-fest inducing content to carry my weight. I feel as it stands now, I just don't want to play MCH anymore, which is sad because it has been my main DPS since HW. I 100% understand the ranged DPS tax - but then how do you justify giving bard and dancer (who both bring party utility to the table) buffs over MCH? Tactician is given to all 3 in some form, please stop using that as "there is your utility". Something is glaringly rotton here and needs fixed before every group ends up being sage, reaper and warrior.
    Same here, MCH since HW.
    In HW I was "too useful", in SB you had the horrible Flamethrower but the job remained useful.
    In ShB, MCH wasn't the worst Ranged DPS, it would only bring DPS and that was it. A common feedback was "more utility", but this was ignored.
    Now in 6.08, it still only brings DPS except this time it's behind DNC that can shield and heal.

    Since media tour, I decided to go GNB/SGE. Went GNB, I don't have the DPS of a MCH but at least I feel useful to the party.
    And that's what matters, what we want.
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    Charming Tulip
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    Cactuar
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    A common feedback was "more utility", but this was ignored.
    Every subrole of DPS has a "selfish" job. MCH is the physical ranged selfish job. Unless they strip all the utility away from DNC or BRD (or make a new physical ranged), you're not getting utility.
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    TalithaSolarien's Avatar
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    Talitha Solarien
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SnowVix View Post
    Every subrole of DPS has a "selfish" job. MCH is the physical ranged selfish job. Unless they strip all the utility away from DNC or BRD (or make a new physical ranged), you're not getting utility.
    No, but they should buff MCH to be at the top of the physical ranged dps, before BRD and DNC. This ain't going to happen anytime due to the stupid "ranged tax" that limits the dps rang they have allocated to the role ("stupid" as the casters are pretty mobile themselves these days).
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SnowVix View Post
    Every subrole of DPS has a "selfish" job. MCH is the physical ranged selfish job. Unless they strip all the utility away from DNC or BRD (or make a new physical ranged), you're not getting utility.
    We're two expansions in now and this philosophy has completely failed. They completely gutted all the nuance from Bard only to stare back with a Surprised Pikachu face when the community abandoned it wholesale. Machinist existed last expansion but it was pretty much the Dancer show by a country mile. Now we're in Endwalker and Bard utterly dominated until the 6.08 buffs made Dancer not a troll pick. Unfortunately, Machinist remains more or less worthless. So this is three years of them not being able to balance selfish/hybrid/buff jobs in the physical range role. And a good number of people don't want them to. They want old utility like Refresh and Palisade to come back.

    What the devs envision just hasn't worked.
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