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  1. #1
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    Xuled's Avatar
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    Celica Yascaret
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 70
    “Buff these jobs” - GCBTW
    “Ok” - Yoshi-P
    “NO NOT LIKE THAT!” - GCBTW

    For the vast majority of you the numbers are fine. You won’t and aren’t raiding the high end while it’s relevant so just pick your flavor and enjoy it. The tears are unreal, I’ve seen less in League.
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    CKNovel's Avatar
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Xuled View Post
    For the vast majority of you the numbers are fine. You won’t and aren’t raiding the high end while it’s relevant so just pick your flavor and enjoy it. The tears are unreal, I’ve seen less in League.
    "Pick your flavor and enjoy it" I'm sorry but this is hugbear level of copium.
    When playing your job, you should feel useful to the party. If the differences were minor, no problem.
    But we talk about big discrepancy there.

    I love MCH but I can't enjoy it because the job is nothing but a burden to the group
    It doesn't brings healing, shielding, extra mitigation, it doesn't brings rDPS, it only brings DPS and it's garbage.

    What's wrong with simply requesting to be useful to the group?
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    Aeonna Calvados
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    "Pick your flavor and enjoy it" I'm sorry but this is hugbear level of copium.
    When playing your job, you should feel useful to the party. If the differences were minor, no problem.
    But we talk about big discrepancy there.

    I love MCH but I can't enjoy it because the job is nothing but a burden to the group
    It doesn't brings healing, shielding, extra mitigation, it doesn't brings rDPS, it only brings DPS and it's garbage.

    What's wrong with simply requesting to be useful to the group?
    MCH *does* bring mitigation - it's called tactician. In light party content, MCH will also be greater damage than both BRD and DNC by virtue of having fewer players for the more support-centric physical ranged jobs to buff. In a competent group, MCH *should* fall off against less selfish jobs. If the rest of the group isn't great, MCH would be the better option.
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Xaphire View Post
    MCH *does* bring mitigation - it's called tactician. In light party content, MCH will also be greater damage than both BRD and DNC by virtue of having fewer players for the more support-centric physical ranged jobs to buff. In a competent group, MCH *should* fall off against less selfish jobs. If the rest of the group isn't great, MCH would be the better option.
    Psst, hey, closer...
    A bit closer...

    EVERY RANGED HAVE TACTICIAN. They are named Troubadour and Samba, those are virtually role action. In this equation or ranged utility, MCH brings nothing more.
    4 party content is non existant. Only dungeons are light party, trial, savage, ultimate, 24 man raid, Eureka/Bozja.
    Only Deep dungeons and Dungeons are 4 man content, DPS don't matter, healing barely matters and most of the dungeon is aoe spam + 3 bosses.

    Even in ShB, if you wanted to perform better than a Melee/casters, you needed to overgear the Melee/casters and them to perform poorly.
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    Last edited by CKNovel; 01-25-2022 at 11:44 PM.

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    Xaphire's Avatar
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    Aeonna Calvados
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    Ultros
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Psst, hey, closer...
    A bit closer...

    EVERY RANGED HAVE TACTICIAN. They are named Troubadour and Samba, those are virtually role action. In this equation or ranged utility, MCH brings nothing more.
    4 party content is non existant. Only dungeons are light party, trial, savage, ultimate, 24 man raid, Eureka/Bozja.
    Only Deep dungeons and Dungeons are 4 man content, DPS don't matter, healing barely matters and most of the dungeon is aoe spam + 3 bosses.

    Even in ShB, if you wanted to perform better than a Melee/casters, you needed to overgear the Melee/casters and them to perform poorly.
    Hey...hey, psst...you shouldn't perform better than melee or casters
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    Arlizz Teirez
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    MNK doesn’t need any damage buffs.
    Just bring positionals back to Twin snakes/True strike then tone down the potencies of the fail attempt ones.
    Problem solved.
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    Na'mira Yarhu
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    Zodiark
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    they could nerf things. but oh no that would provoke a shit-storm because nobody thinks reaper is too strong.
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    Teno Gestalt
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    Moogle
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Asari5 View Post
    they could nerf things. but oh no that would provoke a shit-storm because nobody thinks reaper is too strong.
    Thank goodness you're not a dev.
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut View Post
    Can someone please explain if DNC is decent now? I know it's not exactly the best DPS but can I now play it without the fear of slowing down the group by a lottt?
    As I tell everyone, if DNC is the job you like, you have fun with it, and you are good at it, then play it. I'd rather have someone in my party who knows a lower-dps job front and back over someone who's playing a "meta" job but struggles on it.
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    Fueisu Hope
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xuled View Post
    “Buff these jobs” - GCBTW
    “Ok” - Yoshi-P
    “NO NOT LIKE THAT!” - GCBTW

    For the vast majority of you the numbers are fine. You won’t and aren’t raiding the high end while it’s relevant so just pick your flavor and enjoy it. The tears are unreal, I’ve seen less in League.
    What is the point of you posting? You're saying it's fine for most people. But acknowledge on higher end there is an imbalance, which justifies their complaints. People aren't complaining about jobs that they wanted buff being buffed, their complaining about already exceeding classes being buffed. So you just want to put down people that aren't good at the game? While assuming who clears when and plays at what level? Let people advocate for good things instead of putting people down.
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