Tanking question

[Sacred-Oblivion]

No, do not spin bosses.
Yes, get out of AOEs.

This is simple stuff I am pretty sure Hall of the Novice teaches you.

It doesn't teach you to not spin bosses, nor does it mention anything about dps positionals being a thing. I remember when I first started playing I use to spin bosses a lot up to the mid-level ARR dungeons, mainly because it was fun and I thought it might make me harder to hit if I was a moving target.

[Vahlnir]

It doesn't teach you to not spin bosses, nor does it mention anything about dps positionals being a thing. I remember when I first started playing I use to spin bosses a lot up to the mid-level ARR dungeons, mainly because it was fun and I thought it might make me harder to hit if I was a moving target.

It's an MMO thing for the most part, mostly because of tank busters and cleaves. An easy mistake to make for new player tanks (or players of any role), sure, but if it's not their first MMO it should be common sense. FF XI was my first true MMO experience, and I would spin my enemies a lot. It wasn't until some random Bard sat me down to teach me some combat basics and basically said "Stop that. Stand still and take it" that my methods changed. I stopped spinning everything after that. Was definitely a good thing too since I ended up becoming a tank much later on.

[Saimeren]

Is it though? If you're still learning how to play the game by 70-80+ after starting new at Level 1, then expect questions who are you learning from, specially the mentors 99% of them have no clue about. If you're new buying a level skip, expect hostility from players.

If I level a Dragoon from 1-70 and then pick up Sage, am I supposed to know how to heal effectively right away?

This isn't a player problem, it's a game design problem. It allows players to pick up new roles and jobs at a higher level without having to go through the learning experience to get there.

This isn't necessarily a "get good" situation.

Also, the exact same thing could be said about our OP here. He's asking about basic tanking 101 questions after doing a L70+ dungeon.

You're right about having a responsibility to learn the jobs and roles, but you really shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about a player's experience just because they're on a higher level character.

Edit: A work around for this in the future could be to have a system in place that prevents you from unlocking a new job unless you already have another job of the same role at the unlock level requirement. (Ie. Must have a healer at L70 to unlock Sage)

[Saimeren]

You can spin bosses in bozja because positionals don't matter there. I do it all the time to the big mammoth and dinosaur fate bosses. It's fun! Try to find that sweet spot in the dead center, hit sprint, then run in circles around it to make it spin as fast as possible.

Lol. Until it does a cone AoE and wipes half your dps and healers. >_<

[Aegis_Harvey]

Cleaves and frontal cones are a very elegant way to teach tanks to face bosses away from their friends and keep them that way. Cleaves and frontal cones are very common in ARR, somewhat common in HW, and quite rare in everything beyond. Cleaves and frontal cones dovetailed very nicely with positionals. These mechanics were not vestigial when they were discarded, so it's only natural that bizarre situations like this creep in eventually.

Bring back cleaves, bring back threat.

[Aluja89]

If I level a Dragoon from 1-70 and then pick up Sage, am I supposed to know how to heal effectively right away?

This isn't a player problem, it's a game design problem. It allows players to pick up new roles and jobs at a higher level without having to go through the learning experience to get there.

If you're going straight into group content, yes.

Also, you don't need firsthand experience if people stopped staring at their hotbars they could learn a thing or two from looking at others, but that's wishful thinking I suppose.

[Undeadfire]

Edit: A work around for this in the future could be to have a system in place that prevents you from unlocking a new job unless you already have another job of the same role at the unlock level requirement. (Ie. Must have a healer at L70 to unlock Sage)

That's honestly the best solution. SE has made exp gains 1.5x faster after EW patch and can reduce the issue.

FFXI solution was make every new job start level 1, if you're playing the motive doing "what you want", the game would punish including the players.

My solution learning a new Healer, do dungeons with trusts.

DPS? Dummy

Tank? Trusts/Dummy.

[Insertusernamehere]

Edit: A work around for this in the future could be to have a system in place that prevents you from unlocking a new job unless you already have another job of the same role at the unlock level requirement. (Ie. Must have a healer at L70 to unlock Sage)

It is a bad solution IMO. Let's say you want to play GNB you have to level WAR or PLD which outside of your liking.. but you are forced to play with it.. It will drastically reduce player enjoyment.

Current dungeons easy and forgiving enough to figure out what to do as tank or healer.. easy to learn from your mistakes, most players in game patient and friendly if you tell them you are new at your job or dungeon.. all you have to do test a few skills on dummy and read skill tooltips, arrange your hot bar accordingly for your priority and adjust hotbar in dungeon.

Edit: +1 Undeadfire's suggestion, trust dungeons easiest way to figure out.

[Saimeren]

And yet we continually have posts like this where neither the tank or healer were very good in their dungeon. Having that leveling experience would help with this.

[Insertusernamehere]

And yet we continually have posts like this where neither the tank or healer were very good in their dungeon. Having that leveling experience would help with this.

What is wrong with post? OP trying to learn what he is doing wrong (or if he is doing anything wrong) and he is asking question in Tank forum.. seems normal to me.
I don't understand meaning of "good in dungeon".. it might be OPs first time in dungeon and not familiar with mechanics.. or he is not comfortable with tanking at the moment but practicing.

Duty finder can bring any kind of player experienced or new.. but if you are seeking perfect dungeon run / speed run or something.. PF better option IMO.