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    EzekielBook's Avatar
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    Ezekiel Book
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    Paladin Lv 72

    Tanking question

    So, I was in a Duty (Ala Mhigo) and was told to "stop spinning the boss". I suppose that's a reasonable request, but I died early on, and didn't trust the healer, so what was "spinning" to whomever made the request, was just "not standing in the bad stuff" to me.

    Was I being unreasonable? How much should I be trusting the healer?

    Also, who has time to type anything during a fight? I mean, sure, maybe some DPS, but as a tank, I've got a lot of stuff going on, and those cooldowns aren't as slow as they feel against a boss.
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    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    It's entirely reasonable to move out of the AoE markers, even if you trust the healer, you don't want to take unnecessary damage as that means you'll need less healing, but try to move back to where you were before asap, that's usually what DPS will anticipate.
    You can move as soon as the marker disappears, so reposition and you will usually be back in the front by the time the boss has finished using it's attack, and so it shouldn't, in most cases, turn at all.
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    Spinning the boss effects the melee potency positional, if you're dying from a Healer slacking on their job, that's not really your problem, and spinning the boss won't help to that measure, or you're doing the AI exploit. At the time it could be you, I can't really say much without evidence.
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    Gae Bolg Animus 18/04/2014

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    Padudu Moro
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    Just move back to your previous spot after you move out of the aoe so the positional people will be happy, most reasonable people will see that you're trying to avoid damage especially if the healer is underperforming
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    Saimeren Stons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadfire View Post
    if you're dying from a Healer slacking on their job, that's not really your problem
    That can be a very elitist way to look at the situation. Maybe the healer is new to the game, maybe they're new to healing or new to their job. Maybe they just rearranged their keybinds and are just getting used to them.

    Saying "not my problem" isn't going to help matters. Maybe instead of encouraging the "you suck, I'm great" mentality, you should encourage him to talk to his healer and figure out why the healer is struggling and figure out a work around together.

    And don't give me the "if you can't handle wall to wall then you shouldn't be there" schtick. Slowing down to accommodate another party member isn't going to kill you. Most runs take between 15 - 25 mins depending on the dungeon and comfort level of the group. You signed up for this. If your run takes 20 mins instead of 15 it's really not the end of the world.

    OP isn't positioning himself back in front of the boss after a mechanic; which likely means he's not very practiced himself. It might not all be the healers fault.
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    Veranolth Dawnglimmer
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by EzekielBook View Post
    So, I was in a Duty (Ala Mhigo) and was told to "stop spinning the boss". I suppose that's a reasonable request, but I died early on, and didn't trust the healer, so what was "spinning" to whomever made the request, was just "not standing in the bad stuff" to me.

    Was I being unreasonable? How much should I be trusting the healer?

    Also, who has time to type anything during a fight? I mean, sure, maybe some DPS, but as a tank, I've got a lot of stuff going on, and those cooldowns aren't as slow as they feel against a boss.
    Spinning the boss makes it harder for melee DPS to use their positionals (some attacks do more damage if they hit the boss from the rear and flank). Spinning the boss has nothing to do with healers, although you do want to move out of AoEs while keeping the boss roughly in the same spot as much as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    That can be a very elitist way to look at the situation.
    Is it though? If you're still learning how to play the game by 70-80+ after starting new at Level 1, then expect questions who are you learning from, specially the mentors 99% of them have no clue about. If you're new buying a level skip, expect hostility from players.

    It feels very much stop enabling incompetence, like a Sage doing Heals only when their whole tool kit is based on doing DPS for heals, or at level 90 and Whms/Asts still spamming Cure 1-2 running out of MP too quickly, or a Sch spamming Physicks. The whole high level dungeon design is wall pull the mobs, tanks/healers have an abundance of tool kits, if players refuse to learn their job, refuse to DPS on Healer, then stop enabling their ridiculous behaviour, it's exactly the problem why content keeps getting easier, it's asinine.
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    Gae Bolg Animus 18/04/2014

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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    No, do not spin bosses.
    Yes, get out of AOEs.

    This is simple stuff I am pretty sure Hall of the Novice teaches you.
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    C'erise Vanesse
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    Maduin
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    It's easy to get out of AOEs without spinning bosses. Typically you just get right back to where you were before. Honestly if you need to, seriously, put a marker down on the space opposite to where the entrance is, that way you can remember to go back to that spot every time.
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    Off-Topic Discussion Megathread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/434886-Off-Topic-Discussion-Megathread
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    No thanks. Housing is fine as it is

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    Familiar Parable
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    Coeurl
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    Paladin Lv 90
    You can spin bosses in bozja because positionals don't matter there. I do it all the time to the big mammoth and dinosaur fate bosses. It's fun! Try to find that sweet spot in the dead center, hit sprint, then run in circles around it to make it spin as fast as possible.
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