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  1. #11
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    Sauteed's Avatar
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    Oishi Tamanegi
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    Zurvan
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    Lancer Lv 90
    I don't understand how I can fully stack multiple book cases in my inventory, but stack a little defense and it's all percentages and compromise.
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  2. #12
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    Veranolth Dawnglimmer
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    Behemoth
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sauteed View Post
    I don't understand how I can fully stack multiple book cases in my inventory, but stack a little defense and it's all percentages and compromise.
    Apples and oranges.
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  3. #13
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    Ryaduera Tengille
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    Leviathan
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    Sure, you're right, but that's not necessarily what I was asking about. I wasn't asking about all the good ways to avoid damage, but simply how certain abilities with percent reductions stacked. Not necessarily avoidances.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaduera View Post
    Arm's Length will still cause diminishing returns. Let's say you get hit by 1000 10 times for 10000 total damage.. Ramparts on its own reduces that by 2000, Arm's Length on its own reduces it to 8 attacks meaning it reduces incoming damage by 2000 as well, resulting in 8000 total damage and then adding Ramparts would technically lose value and reduce 1600 damage.
    We know, and we're trying to help. It also has diminishing returns when stacked.
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    Filled to the brim with salt, vinegar, and unpopular opinions.

    Nobody told me Fantasias were addictive, now I have to go to rehab.

  4. #14
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    VictorSpoils's Avatar
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    Victor Spoils
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    Coeurl
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Further more, this is why it can be better to stack different types of mitigation.
    For example a shield (TBN) with a damage reduction (Rampart) will actually complement each other, as you're reducing the amount of damage being taken, which allows the shield to cover more of that damage.

    e.g. You have 1000 HP, you use TBN for a 250 HP shield, and Rampart for a 20% damage reduction. This allows the TBN to cover 312 raw damage.
    Probably worth mentioning that this relies on the shield still getting consumed fully. Otherwise it backfires.
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    also worth mentioning, all tanks have an inherrent -20% dmg taken built into them (from when tank stance used to mitigate 20% dmg taken, but removed from tank stance, making it just natural in tanks by default)
    so a -30% and a -20% also have an additional -20% already caked in, making them further weaker than whats suggested here.
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    Luin Vereist
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    Lamia
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Mitigation is multiplicative.

    Rampart is a 0.8 multiplier.

    Shadow Wall is a 0.7 multiplier.

    0.8*0.7=0.56

    Our damage multiplier is 0.56

    As a percentage, this is 44%.
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  7. #17
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Excalibur
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Stacking shouldn't really be a thought, aside from something like Rampart and Arm's Length or reprisal and your 25 sec CD. You want to spread them out as much as possible, depending on the DPS output you're dealing with.
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  8. #18
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    Aodhan O'finnegain
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    Zodiark
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Stacking shouldn't really be a thought, aside from something like Rampart and Arm's Length or reprisal and your 25 sec CD. You want to spread them out as much as possible, depending on the DPS output you're dealing with.
    In dungeons yes, you space out your mitigation, certain tank busters in Savage and ultimate however, you do need to stack, it was especially the case for e12s door boss which hit exceptionally hard, you had to stack multiple mitigation cooldowns or invuln.
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