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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik501 View Post
    Don't forget Arm's length. The slow that it applies is a very valuable defensive tool in big pulls.
    We're talking about damage mitigation abilities, not utility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik501 View Post
    Don't forget Arm's length. The slow that it applies is a very valuable defensive tool in big pulls.
    Arm's Length will still cause diminishing returns. Let's say you get hit by 1000 10 times for 10000 total damage.. Ramparts on its own reduces that by 2000, Arm's Length on its own reduces it to 8 attacks meaning it reduces incoming damage by 2000 as well, resulting in 8000 total damage and then adding Ramparts would technically lose value and reduce 1600 damage. Not disagreeing, just clarifying something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    We're talking about damage mitigation abilities, not utility.
    Arm's Length is a form of mitigation since slow effects reduce incoming DPS. Many non-tanks and sprouts miss this part, but when trash pulls hit you with Arm's Length it applies a slow to reduce their attack rates which is a very good form of damage reduction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    Sure, you're right, but that's not necessarily what I was asking about. I wasn't asking about all the good ways to avoid damage, but simply how certain abilities with percent reductions stacked. Not necessarily avoidances.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaduera View Post
    Arm's Length will still cause diminishing returns. Let's say you get hit by 1000 10 times for 10000 total damage.. Ramparts on its own reduces that by 2000, Arm's Length on its own reduces it to 8 attacks meaning it reduces incoming damage by 2000 as well, resulting in 8000 total damage and then adding Ramparts would technically lose value and reduce 1600 damage.
    We know, and we're trying to help. It also has diminishing returns when stacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    We're talking about damage mitigation abilities, not utility.
    Arms Length is actually one of the best mitigation tools for trash mobs in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Arms Length is actually one of the best mitigation tools for trash mobs in the game.
    Sure, you're right, but that's not necessarily what I was asking about. I wasn't asking about all the good ways to avoid damage, but simply how certain abilities with percent reductions stacked. Not necessarily avoidances.
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    Last edited by Saimeren; 01-27-2022 at 11:53 PM. Reason: Made a post that made me sound like a jerk. <3
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