Trends in content types and faux difficulty

[Nullie]

No. By all means, do the content over and over. I'm just saying that you can't blame the developers that you played the same content over and over in a matter of days. Why not take your time. If you don't want to constantly do the runs, then don't.

I'm sorry, but that response does not answer what you said. You said you had an issue with people who do these. "But my real issue with this whole argument is the fact that people need to get these items in the first place. What do people so desperately need these items for to do 200 speed runs at any given time?" It's not about blaming the devs. You have an issue with people who play the game like that. Why? But your post just now says you don't have a problem with it.

Sorry if I'm not clarifying this well. I meant that the people who rush through the game will always rush through the game, regardless of how much content there is. It was just an example. I myself am half way through my leves because I've just been spamming leves for the last few days. If I want to stop, I will. Those that don't want to stop will keep going. If the developers add more content, those that didn't stop won't stop and players like me will see something more to do later on.

But you're telling people to take their time because they'll tire themselves out. What if taking your time does tire you out? You think its the best route to go. What if I want to rush it for other reasons? What if I can only play so much a day and want to get content done asap before new stuff is out? What if I have other things I need to do? What if I don't have time to take my time? That's the whole point.

Right. Each time you flip the coin, the odds remain the same for each individual flip. If you get 2 tails in a row, it doesn't increase the last 2 flips to be 100% heads. Meaning regardless of how many times you do Garuda, you aren't increasing your odds. So might as well take your time with it.

But I say all this in hopes that people realize that for now, those are just epeen items.

Again, why do you have to take your time? But lets use this method right now. Say I want a Garuda Axe. Lets take the take your time method and the coin flip method. I flip the coin 20 consecutive times and not win. The next time I take my time. 3 wins. Nothing. The next day 3 wins. Nothing. The next day nothing. Lets say on the 21st time I get the axe on both occasions. It would have taken me 7 days to get it while it would have been day 2 the other way. Now how many more attempts do I have to get the axe? None. Now I could take 100 times to get the axe. How long would that take by taking your time before it becomes to the point to where you want to rip your hair out? I just don't understand how taking your time helps with anything. I'm sorry.

[Cer]

I kinda agree with OP.
The funny thing is, I don't feel like the game has changed that much from spamming leve's and leve links. It almost seems like the exact same system just with a different coat of paint.

I too hope in 2.0 they make you wait before heading right back into a dungeon. Its nice for things like toto rak seal farming. But I hate doing dungeons for the reasons people state above. All that effort would mean (and usually does mean) nothing. I WANT to believe these things are so everyone can experience current content before its gone/altered. Since it will have to be changed somewhat, I doubt they'll have a nice new pretty world and be like "Oh yeah and here's these old graphic/repetitive asset dungeons." So until 2.0 Its hard to justify being pissed about it.

[MrKupo]

I'm sorry, but that response does not answer what you said. You said you had an issue with people who do these. "But my real issue with this whole argument is the fact that people need to get these items in the first place. What do people so desperately need these items for to do 200 speed runs at any given time?" It's not about blaming the devs. You have an issue with people who play the game like that. Why? But your post just now says you don't have a problem with it.


But you're telling people to take their time because they'll tire themselves out. What if taking your time does tire you out? You think its the best route to go. What if I want to rush it for other reasons? What if I can only play so much a day and want to get content done asap before new stuff is out? What if I have other things I need to do? What if I don't have time to take my time? That's the whole point.



Again, why do you have to take your time? But lets use this method right now. Say I want a Garuda Axe. Lets take the take your time method and the coin flip method. I flip the coin 20 consecutive times and not win. The next time I take my time. 3 wins. Nothing. The next day 3 wins. Nothing. The next day nothing. Lets say on the 21st time I get the axe on both occasions. It would have taken me 7 days to get it while it would have been day 2 the other way. Now how many more attempts do I have to get the axe? None. Now I could take 100 times to get the axe. How long would that take by taking your time before it becomes to the point to where you want to rip your hair out? I just don't understand how taking your time helps with anything. I'm sorry.

Ok ok. What I'm trying to say is you should play the game how you most enjoy it. I'm saying that it is an issue with the argument, not the game. The argument is that the drops should be skill based, but that is coming from someone who rushed through the content only to get pissed at never getting the gear they wanted. I'm just trying to put in some perspective. Right now, the gear isn't helping you because there's no content after. If you play the game only as long as you enjoy it, the chances are that the odds remain the same and you come out with no gear. The difference is that you only enjoyed the game and didn't drive yourself beyond that. If you enjoy 200 speed runs, then do it. If you can only enjoy 20 speed runs, do 20 and save more runs for another day.
Of course there are those that find enjoyment in having the gear and not the enjoyment in getting it. I have no solution for them except to try and look at it with a different perspective. You don't really have a use for the item yet, so no rush.
I'm not trying to force people to play slowly. That's not my goal. I'm trying to let people know that they can go to bed knowing that if they keep doing it, whether it be a rushed 200 or a slow few runs, the item will eventually come. The best thing you can do is enjoy those runs. It is but a temporary fix until the devs can balance the drop rate issues.

So please don't misunderstand. I am saying Play the game to your enjoyment. Take your time, rush it, but don't make the game a chore. My condolences go out to those of you with "ocd" and just have to get 100% immediately.

[TerahValeth]

Getting stuff is fun. But you can't leave everything up to the developers to make it fun. If you push yourself too hard, it stops being fun and becomes a chore. Why not do a normal run every once in a while? God forbid you actually enjoy the journey instead of the destination.

But the destination is the reason to take the journey in the first place, it's the motivation that drives us forward. You wouldn't take a one way road when you know in advance that it isn't going to lead you anywhere. The hope is that Dark Matter City is just a stop along the way, but I've been stuck there so long now that I want to leave it and see something new.

[ArkNova]

I agree with everything the OP posted except longer lockouts but that's just my opinion. Since its pretty much a given that Hamlet is tied to artifact weapons do you think 2 to 4 years from now hamlet will be obsolete resulting in players of that time having it much harder to get artifact weapons?

[Deltara]

Hate to be an "i told you so", but I told you so.

[Nullie]

I'll leave all the big parts out to make this a lot easier. Haha sorry. Just having a discussion.

Ok ok. What I'm trying to say is you should play the game how you most enjoy it.

Agree 100% on.

The argument is that the drops should be skill based, but that is coming from someone who rushed through the content only to get pissed at never getting the gear they wanted.

Go on...

I'm just trying to put in some perspective. Right now, the gear isn't helping you because there's no content after.

So what you're basically saying is that people shouldn't really worry about this content "now" because there's nothing after it so when there is people should worry about it then? But then there will be a rush when needed (if needed which it won't be because I don't think winning the game requires gear only) you have to do it then. So why not get it out of the way now while there is nothing else to do?

If you play the game only as long as you enjoy it, the chances are that the odds remain the same and you come out with no gear. The difference is that you only enjoyed the game and didn't drive yourself beyond that. If you enjoy 200 speed runs, then do it. If you can only enjoy 20 speed runs, do 20 and save more runs for another day.

Completely agree. And there is no way to tell if you're taking your time whether it is 2 times a day or 200 times a day. Its how you see it, right? But there is really no way for me that taking your time with it will amount to the same enjoyment. Especially with the frustration of not getting anything on top of it countless times.

Of course there are those that find enjoyment in having the gear and not the enjoyment in getting it. I have no solution for them except to try and look at it with a different perspective. You don't really have a use for the item yet, so no rush.

But that is enjoyment in it self which is all that matters and with it you're enjoying part of the game. I myself don't enjoy the poison in aurum vale. I wish it wasn't there and it would make my role a lot easier, but it is part of the game and a challenge you have to pass.

So please don't misunderstand. I am saying Play the game to your enjoyment. Take your time, rush it, but don't make the game a chore. My condolences go out to those of you with "ocd" and just have to get 100% immediately.

And I think that is the point this thread is about. The blame is not 100% on the players as it is not 100% on the devs either. But a mixture of both. You have people blaming the players and other people blaming the devs. I know this content will become outdated eventually. Just like you said this is just temporary end game content. The only choice you have now at getting something from doing this is by meeting certain conditions. (one which you have to RUSH through, mind you can't take your time with) and then you have a low % at getting something and then if you do there are 8 people there. I wouldn't mind it if this were true end game content, but right now it is just blah. I just wish there should at least be at least another option for those who have been quite unfortunate without benefiting those who have been extremely lucky. S.E. put this out for us to do and the items there for us to want and if they wanted us to have a time limit on how much we should do it per day there would be, but there isn't and when you play their game because you want to support the game to continue to exist I just feel like there should at least be some other option with as easy as this is beaten right now.

[Ruisu]

They may put a tag system.
I think we need to be able to repeat something because it requires less organisation : don't have to run from place to place, don't have to verify that everyone in your group can indeed fight ifrit and mog and garuda, don't have to keep your unique "right to do cutter's cry" for your linkshell run tonight preventing you to answer this interesting shout, etc.

Repeating a content for 2-3h seems fine to me. I guess it's a play time for a lot of people, between 8h p.m. and midnight
(2-3 times a same donjon, 7-8 times a primal fight)

2-3 hour waits for a 10 minute fight? No thanks.

[MrKupo]

But the destination is the reason to take the journey in the first place, it's the motivation that drives us forward. You wouldn't take a one way road when you know in advance that it isn't going to lead you anywhere. The hope is that Dark Matter City is just a stop along the way, but I've been stuck there so long now that I want to leave it and see something new.

For some people yes. I enjoy the chase just as much as I enjoy eventually having the items. Just like I enjoy learning a new class and learning the ins and outs just as much as I enjoy being at level cap. This is why I don't PL, this is why I don't rush the content to the point of hatred. I know I'm not the only one. And I'm not saying you have to be like me to enjoy the game. I'm not REALLY trying to argue one or the other. They need to fix the drop rate, that much is clear. But players can at least try to enjoy the journey. I'm just trying to remind people that there is enjoyment in the process that people are just skipping right over.

But I have been there. It is frustrating only getting Dark Matter when you want some actual good loot. But it isn't as bad when you are playing through the game with people you like and having a good time.

[MrKupo]

I'll leave all the big parts out to make this a lot easier. Haha sorry. Just having a discussion.Agree 100% on.Go on... So what you're basically saying is that people shouldn't really worry about this content "now" because there's nothing after it so when there is people should worry about it then? But then there will be a rush when needed (if needed which it won't be because I don't think winning the game requires gear only) you have to do it then. So why not get it out of the way now while there is nothing else to do? Completely agree. And there is no way to tell if you're taking your time whether it is 2 times a day or 200 times a day. Its how you see it, right? But there is really no way for me that taking your time with it will amount to the same enjoyment. Especially with the frustration of not getting anything on top of it countless times.
But that is enjoyment in it self which is all that matters and with it you're enjoying part of the game. I myself don't enjoy the poison in aurum vale. I wish it wasn't there and it would make my role a lot easier, but it is part of the game and a challenge you have to pass.


And I think that is the point this thread is about. The blame is not 100% on the players as it is not 100% on the devs either. But a mixture of both. You have people blaming the players and other people blaming the devs. I know this content will become outdated eventually. Just like you said this is just temporary end game content. The only choice you have now at getting something from doing this is by meeting certain conditions. (one which you have to RUSH through, mind you can't take your time with) and then you have a low % at getting something and then if you do there are 8 people there. I wouldn't mind it if this were true end game content, but right now it is just blah. I just wish there should at least be at least another option for those who have been quite unfortunate without benefiting those who have been extremely lucky. S.E. put this out for us to do and the items there for us to want and if they wanted us to have a time limit on how much we should do it per day there would be, but there isn't and when you play their game because you want to support the game to continue to exist I just feel like there should at least be some other option with as easy as this is beaten right now.

It seems we have finally come to a crossroads, and I agree with you. It seems we never really disagreed in the first place. And as for future content, it does make sense. But what if the content doesn't come out like most are predicting? Will people get mad at devs when they come out with content that makes all current primal gear useless? For example, a boss that is impervious to Wind. Those that took the time to get the gear yes. I would. Which is why I wait... When it is obvious that I need the gear, I'll make the time to get it. That's just the way I play. =D