P1N Warrior solo kill

[KariTheFox]

Just because something has been cheesed in the past doesn't make it right to continue. It's a pretty basic gaming concept.

Why not? It looks fun and hilarious that 8 warriors can comolete the first fight in the tier. Do you think this will effect savage recruitment? Do you think the new meta going forward will be teams of 8 warriors trying to clear content and nobody else will get a spot?

How does this effect you, or the rest of the playerbase in any way?

[FateRu]

WAR's recovery rates for Equilibrium, Nascent Flash, and Bloodwhetting are clearly out of whack. They don't require any resource management whatsoever, and when facing multiple targets, such as in a dungeon, you can use invincibility every 25 seconds.

[Semirhage]

Why not? It looks fun and hilarious that 8 warriors can comolete the first fight in the tier. Do you think this will effect savage recruitment? Do you think the new meta going forward will be teams of 8 warriors trying to clear content and nobody else will get a spot?

How does this effect you, or the rest of the playerbase in any way?

Why are we still pretending this is a team-focused or trinity-based game if one third of the trinity is a one-man-army that can do whatever it wants, and the other two can stuff it because they aren't uniquely capable of soloing things that only tanks get to do?

Sure, one role can have great damage and ridiculous self-healing while also having like five times the defense everyone else does, but let's not kid ourselves about it. Either tanks are overpowered, or we're moving further away from the trinity concept with every expansion. Tanks can do it all.

[Deceptus]

But does WAR actually outperform healers when it comes into healing? not in a million years unless if the healer is sleeping. Some people say WAR dont need heals, well trust me depending on the content and timing they do and DPSes certainly need healing. So how does the existence of a tank that can heal itself make healers redundant when there are still 3-7 people in need of healing in a fight? just because you dont have to heal the tank doesnt mean you can sleep.

There's 2 metrics to healing

1) The bare bones basic keep everyone full at all times which is extremely inefficient.

2) Be smart about it realizing that not everyone needs to be topped off at all times. Not panicking when you see someone at half HP.

Sure, if a healer is hardcasting GCD's and blowing every single OGCD on CD they're going to put out a massive amount of healing but they're overhealing. They are healing damage that doesn't exist. If they're smart and only heal the damage that is done?

Warrior tanks right now are doing #1 because their self heals are so busted that they don't need healers at all in dungeons, don't need them in current EX content, or this raid because of the low damage going out across the board.

How does this effect you, or the rest of the playerbase in any way?

Negating an entire role is not good for the overall health of the game and if you can't realize that, I don't know what to tell you. It might be fun for the Warrior, but it's demoralizing and not fun for the healers.

Because the healers damage rotation? A 30 second dot and a 1.5s filler spell that they repeat 12 times then bring back up the dot or a single aoe spell they spam. Riveting gameplay I know. I highly doubt a single tank would find it acceptable if their only attack options from lvl 4 - lv 90 was a 30s dot that generated massive amounts of emnity, a basic massive enmity single target button, and a basic aoe.

[KariTheFox]

Negating an entire role is not good for the overall health of the game and if you can't realize that, I don't know what to tell you. It might be fun for the Warrior, but it's demoralizing and not fun for the healers.

Once again, do you think 8-Warrior runs of PS1 is going to be the new meta? Do you think this is how most people will want to play and enjoy the fight from now on? Why is it demoralizing for healers that 8 Warriors got together to do something unconventional th at probably required a high level of gear and execution to accomplish?

There may be issues with healer or encounter design, but that has nothing to do with the ability of Warriors to solo or 8-Warrior content in unconventional ways.

[Lyth]

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Historically, yes, it was pretty fun to watch. The most entertaining set of 8 Warrior clears this game has produced was this one back in ARR. It's well worth a look if you haven't seen it before. Part of what makes it great, aside from the playfulness and silliness, is the photo finish. You don't need to know anything about tanking for it to keep you on the edge of your seat.

More recent solo/8-tank clears aren't really exciting. I actually find myself rooting for the boss to just swat their HP bar down to 0 between bursts of self-healing to max health. Just need an Ana biotic grenade as a recurring fight mechanic.

[ASkellington]

Once again, do you think 8-Warrior runs of PS1 is going to be the new meta? Do you think this is how most people will want to play and enjoy the fight from now on? Why is it demoralizing for healers that 8 Warriors got together to do something unconventional th at probably required a high level of gear and execution to accomplish?

There may be issues with healer or encounter design, but that has nothing to do with the ability of Warriors to solo or 8-Warrior content in unconventional ways.

Because it isn't just 8 warriors or a WAR/GNB/PLD solo kill that takes up to an hour. It is also:

Current EXs and Savage can be done with 1 or no healer. Even Shb EXs started taking only 1 healer. Content that is supposed to be designed with 2 healers is now being ran with only 1 and it isn't exactly hard to do.

All the 8 WAR clear is doing is further showing that healing is too low to require a healer to clear.

[Undeadfire]

Because it isn't just 8 warriors or a WAR/GNB/PLD solo kill that takes up to an hour. It is also:

Current EXs and Savage can be done with 1 or no healer. Even Shb EXs started taking only 1 healer. Content that is supposed to be designed with 2 healers is now being ran with only 1 and it isn't exactly hard to do.

All the 8 WAR clear is doing is further showing that healing is too low to require a healer to clear.

Yeah, it's called Power Creep.

[FateRu]

If 8 DRKs or 8 GNBs could clear P1S in the same way, you could say it's a tank-wide problem. But the fact is, it's not; only WAR is clearing P1S.
Essentially, a tank's ability to heal should be a tradeoff for DPS (like Clemency and Holy Spirit in PLD).
WAR is able to provide high DPS and large recovery at the same time. WAR also has a defense buff that is comparable to other tanks.
This design is clearly broken, SE must have misunderstood the adjustment of the tank.

[ASkellington]

Yeah, it's called Power Creep.

It isn't just power creep. Power Creep just isn't helping. Content is just undertuned to be frank.