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    -BlueGreen-'s Avatar
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    Akira Yukino
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    Coeurl
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    Red Mage Lv 91
    Think that's bad? Try Sage's situation...

    Diagnosis 450 potency for 400 MP = 1.125 potency/MP
    E.Diagnosis 300 potency + 540 shield for 900 MP = 0.933 potency/MP

    And let's not forget that when you do Dosis and the like, you get a "free" 170 potency heal that is not applied when doing the two above!

    Dosis (via Kardion) 170 potency for 400 MP = 0.425 potency/MP (and you do damage)

    Sage also has Soteria which boosts this Kardion healing by 50% for 15 seconds, causing it to reach 0.637 potency/MP.

    Expand the math over 2 GCDs to account for Addersting, and E.Diagnosis gets a huge boost (strictly in terms of efficiency, the other situations don't change since it's 2x the same skill):

    E.Diagnosis 300 heal + 540 shield + Toxicon 170 heal for 900 MP combined (Toxicon is 0 MP) = 1.122 potency/MP

    And let's not forget that over those 2 GCDs, your raw healing potency (adding in shields) works out to:

    Diagnosis (x2) = 900 potency
    E.Diagnosis + Toxicon = 1010 potency
    Dosis (x2) = 340 potency
    Dosis (x2) + Soteria = 510 potency

    It's clear that E.Diagnosis is so much better over Diagnosis when taking everything in context. It heals for more over 2 GCDs and suffers from only a 0.003 drop in potency/MP efficiency! (oh, and unlike Diagnosis x2, the fact that Toxicon is part of this also means you're dealing 330 potency damage to a single target +50% of that to nearby)

    Diagnosis isn't even great at low levels where you're effectively spending a GCD without Kardion to heal a bit more than if you simply just used a DPS skill. Sastasha through Thousand Maws is basically "Kardia the tank and then become the 1-button wonder".

    Want to delete Diagnosis from your hotbar? Too bad, you need to combo it with Eukrasia in order to access E.Diagnosis.
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    Last edited by -BlueGreen-; 01-22-2022 at 06:52 AM.

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    Negative Space
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    Seraph
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by -BlueGreen- View Post
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    Man, I wish I could rename this thread to "What's the point of basic healing spells anymore?" I didn't realize the issue was across every healer.
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    My outline for a Chemist healer: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/513527-Healer-Concept-Draft-Chemist

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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeS View Post
    Man, I wish I could rename this thread to "What's the point of basic healing spells anymore?" I didn't realize the issue was across every healer.
    I'd argue it's actually even worse on AST and WHM. Sure, Cure 1, Benefic 1, Diagnosis and Physic are all equally useless but because WHM and AST have procs on their basic healing spells it tricks new players into thinking they should use those spells for their procs, resulting in the stereotypical healer that casts nothing but Cure 1 in your max level dungeon and can't keep even the best tank alive.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 01-23-2022 at 07:36 PM.