An educated rant: Why pentamelding is %@$&*!-backwards

[Michieltjuhh]

I agree pentamelding is a horrible system. But I'm just amused because I can only assume the people complaining are former WoW players who left partially because they didn't like the pre-raid grind and were told that FF14 didn't have one, just to find out it's actually far worse in FF14.

Never believe that the grass is greener on the other side, folks. It really isn't.

[Avidria]

I agree pentamelding is a horrible system. But I'm just amused because I can only assume the people complaining are former WoW players who left partially because they didn't like the pre-raid grind and were told that FF14 didn't have one, just to find out it's actually far worse in FF14.

Never believe that the grass is greener on the other side, folks. It really isn't.

I dunno, I haven't raided in wow since Legion but I remember putting in far more pre raid effort there than here. It really depends what kind of content you're doing. Like, I barely even had to do anything to get enough materia to pentameld day one because I did enough hunt trains to have a few hundred clusters stockpiled. I don't do it, but you can also transmute materia into other materia, and I know some of the EW dungeons drop materia as well (though I forgot if they're 9s or 10s or both, I don't really watch dungeon loot drops anymore lol). I've gotten quite a few from passive spiritbonding and adventurer in need bonuses as well.

Two dudes in my static tag teamed to farm up all the mats for full crafted sets for everyone day one, and we all tossed in mats as able to help out. So yeah there is some effort, or cost if you don't wanna put in that effort, but it didn't seem like. Overwhelming.

I'm kinda glad crafters and gatherers aren't entirely obsolete in this game, and personally don't mind them being needed for some things. Especially things that aren't actually necessary to clear anything. It's just a nice boost, really, and one that doesn't necessarily even last that long.

[Lunalepsy]

So the new tier comes out and you want to do damage to the bosses. Right? Wrong. The ability to pentameld is locked behind unnecessary side quests and gatekept by the gil markets. Seriously. Has anyone ever questioned why you need CRAFTERS and GATHERERS so you can overmeld on COMBAT CLASSES? It's just a timesink that punishes people who want to do real content instead of blowing away their subscription time on garbage. Imagine you have your driver's license and you want to drive a car, but before you could even step into a car you had to learn how to learn how to play the violin. FFXIV is a world where only violinists can drive cars, and the actual racers are left taking the bus. And when you dare to point that out, all the violinists say "well it's not fair! Go learn to play some Vivaldi!!!". So you go "ah well, might as well look at a youtube tutorial on how to play this thing" and you realize that the violin is more expensive than your rent. It's prohibitively expensive to even get things melded. Seriously, it makes no sense to brickwall the people who want to actually play the game instead of jumping through pointless hoops. Solutions are to

1) Divorce pentamelding from non-combat classes, and give it to people who reach the level cap of an expansion OR
2) Make materia drop from current extreme trials and normal raids. When you clear a savage fight of the tier, then you're 100% guaranteed to have the overmeld go through.

What's the problem with having a bit of synergy and teamwork? I think it's beautiful gathereres and crafters have a say in this game.

[Michieltjuhh]

I dunno, I haven't raided in wow since Legion but I remember putting in far more pre raid effort there than here. It really depends what kind of content you're doing. Like, I barely even had to do anything to get enough materia to pentameld day one because I did enough hunt trains to have a few hundred clusters stockpiled. I don't do it, but you can also transmute materia into other materia, and I know some of the EW dungeons drop materia as well (though I forgot if they're 9s or 10s or both, I don't really watch dungeon loot drops anymore lol). I've gotten quite a few from passive spiritbonding and adventurer in need bonuses as well.

I don't know in what world doing hunts in the hundreds within the first few weeks of the expansion - in addition to getting your dungeons done, getting your extremes done (doesn't take long, granted) and getting your jobs leveled - isn't a massive grind.

Two dudes in my static tag teamed to farm up all the mats for full crafted sets for everyone day one, and we all tossed in mats as able to help out. So yeah there is some effort, or cost if you don't wanna put in that effort, but it didn't seem like. Overwhelming.

Prices spiked over 15000 gil per IX materia on my world. While I'm somewhat unfamiliar with the approach (as I'll refuse to participate in this nonsense), I have seen people dump 100+ materia for a single meld on a single item. That's absurdly expensive no matter how you put it.

I'm kinda glad crafters and gatherers aren't entirely obsolete in this game, and personally don't mind them being needed for some things. Especially things that aren't actually necessary to clear anything. It's just a nice boost, really, and one that doesn't necessarily even last that long.

The last thing they should've been made needed for is the top end PvE push, though. And while preparation can be done beforehand, it still has to all be done on the day itself, when people would.. you know, rather be raiding.

[technole]

What's the problem with having a bit of synergy and teamwork? I think it's beautiful gathereres and crafters have a say in this game.

OP would really lose their mind if this was HW again, where you need a specialist for certain pieces of crafted gear.

[KDSilver]

What's the problem with having a bit of synergy and teamwork? I think it's beautiful gathereres and crafters have a say in this game.

Don't bother explaining this to people who can't understand it's a waste of energy really.

[Bsrking5]

Believe it or not, you can actually clear savage content without melds. Also, what? Do you not have any friends or use party finder? Most crafters will meld for free and getting materia is super easy.

[Michieltjuhh]

What's the problem with having a bit of synergy and teamwork? I think it's beautiful gathereres and crafters have a say in this game.

And yet the only thing these casual jobs have a say in is the exclusive non-casual content. I appreciate the sentiment, but it's similar to telling professional football players that they need a personal water boy to fuel them with steroids before a match (they're free to be their own water boy, of course).

It also doesn't help that all of it has to be done on the day of the tier's release. They should at least make it available a week early, if they want to keep it in.

[Kes13a]

And yet the only thing these casual jobs have a say in is the exclusive non-casual content. I appreciate the sentiment, but it's similar to telling professional football players that they need a personal water boy to fuel them with steroids before a match (they're free to be their own water boy, of course).

It also doesn't help that all of it has to be done on the day of the tier's release. They should at least make it available a week early, if they want to keep it in.

I can only guess that you are well versed with something like WoW where crafting is indeed a useless profession. they made sure, at the request of hardcore people like yourself, that crafting be made that way because it gave, in your words "casual players" too much say over the elite players who focus only on end game raiding etc. which turned into the current system of crafting in WoW being the most useless thing anyone can ever do.

fortunately, or, unfortunately in your view, that is not the case here. your example is nonsensical. do the football players not need uniforms? shoes?.. a ball? those dont just grow on trees you know, it will obviously surprise you to know that they are actually crafted items, made by people who likely dont play football. huh... go figure.

as for day of the tiers release... well, thats on you if you need things that fast now isnt it? no one is forcing you to be impatient....

[SilverObi]

OP, I'm gonna need you to remove the clown glam because it in conjunction with your ramblings makes it entirely impossible to take you seriously.

I mean I wasn't taking you seriously already but the outfit doesn't help.


Edit: Checked your post history and never mind, keep the outfit on.