So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[kizumiayamame]

You can't be serious and start whining about how there's the possibility of people harassing you over a parser or whatever scenarios y'all like to imagine in your heads when it rarely if ever happens in game. You know what does happen in game? People who don't know how to press their 1-2-3 combo or quadruple weave their gcds. There's no way that open communication about trying to kill the boss and making sure everyone is up to par is worse than the player who still doesn't know their rotation at level 90 and doesn't even have the right food buff on. And often you don't even need to bring third party programs into the conversation. When I look at the aggro list and see the dragoon below the summoner, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone doesn't know how to play their class.

[Menriq]

You can't be serious and start whining about how there's the possibility of people harassing you over a parser or whatever scenarios y'all like to imagine in your heads when it rarely if ever happens in game. You know what does happen in game? People who don't know how to press their 1-2-3 combo or quadruple weave their gcds. There's no way that open communication about trying to kill the boss and making sure everyone is up to par is worse than the player who still doesn't know their rotation at level 90 and doesn't even have the right food buff on. And often you don't even need to bring third party programs into the conversation. When I look at the aggro list and see the dragoon below the summoner, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone doesn't know how to play their class.

1.) If you are quadruple weaving, you are doing it way wrong.
2.) If you are looking at the aggro list to determine anything, you are doing it way wrong.

[EaraGrace]

Dps checks are usually limited to Extremes and above. As it stands if you are doing those pieces of content you have options to ensure that party members are doing their share. Don’t think you’ll clear? Find another group or make a static. Or better yet kindly suggest how to improve. If none of these are options then low dps isn’t the really problem here.

[VerdeLuck]

get a static for Savages, Ultimates, and Extreme fights, problem solved.

[KariTheFox]

"quadruple weaving"

there are no dps checks for anything below extreme. You can autoattack normal raid bosses and regular trials to death.

Also in PF groups I'm happy to see someone have food at all, "wrong" or not.

[Euphares]

Dps checks are usually limited to Extremes and above. As it stands if you are doing those pieces of content you have options to ensure that party members are doing their share. Don’t think you’ll clear? Find another group or make a static. Or better yet kindly suggest how to improve. If none of these are options then low dps isn’t the really problem here.

Without third party tools tell me exactly how you would be able to suggest, or even observe areas that need improvement?


-Combat log is unreliable.
-There's no fight history.
-No offensive buff tracker.
-No defensive buff tracker.
-Tracking stats doesn't exist.
-Damage down debuffs have no value associated with them.




You would literally have to manually calculate total potencies of every single job, then compare them to each other, then calculate every single potency interaction in the game just to get a grasp on what could be considered "playing right."




Furthermore, it is pretty blatantly obvious the devs themselves use FFlogs/ACT statistics in regards to balance. There really is zero reason to attempt to make these tools "taboo" outside of wanting to avoid percieved toxicity (which still exists anyways.)

[Lunalepsy]

You can't be serious and start whining about how there's the possibility of people harassing you over a parser or whatever scenarios y'all like to imagine in your heads when it rarely if ever happens in game. You know what does happen in game? People who don't know how to press their 1-2-3 combo or quadruple weave their gcds. There's no way that open communication about trying to kill the boss and making sure everyone is up to par is worse than the player who still doesn't know their rotation at level 90 and doesn't even have the right food buff on. And often you don't even need to bring third party programs into the conversation. When I look at the aggro list and see the dragoon below the summoner, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone doesn't know how to play their class.

You can talk about it without pointing fingers.

[Silver-Strider]

As a console player, I'd like a way to check how well I was personally doing without having to join the random parse run in PF to check myself periodically. Dummy Testing only tells you so much after all.

[Eriane_Elis]

You can tell other players that they're not pulling their weight and how to improve. You just can't do it while being an a-hole or mention fight club. The moment you mention ACT or exact numbers is when you bring it against yourself. When you see the same person die a lot you can let them know about the mechanic that they keep dying or ask in general if anyone has a any questions and you'll be happy to answer them. It's the purpose of the mentor crown after all. BUT, if you want to play it safe, don't talk about anything to random players. Have your own circle and you're free to talk as much as you like about DPS and improvement tactics but if you talk about ACT then you should do it outside the game obviously. Yoshi P made it obvious about his stance about it in the video he published. Everyone wants to play their own way and no one knows where to draw the line except just don't talk about it because they don't want it to become toxic like other MMOs. He gives us the privilege to play how we want to play (no spyware and GMs being lenient) so we must be respectful with the leniency that he/others gives us and should we hypothetically decide to use a combat tracker then it should be done with great respect to both the developers of FF14 and other players in the game. It shouldn't be a numbers game in the end, we should all have fun. We can never perfect our class but knowing the mechanics will always be more important than the perfect DPS number. Know your class and understand that everyone should be attacking while waiting on other actions at the very least. Enrage is serious business :P

[Atma]

You can't be serious and start whining about how there's the possibility of people harassing you over a parser or whatever scenarios y'all like to imagine in your heads when it rarely if ever happens in game.

Yeah, it "rarely happens in game" cause there's a freaking rule against doing it.

Harassing people over DPS performance is like the official national sport of other MMOs. It's not allowed here, get over it. You can run it if you want for your own personal edification. You can't talk about it. Deal with it.