So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[NishaSetsuya]

We have the extreme/savage dummy to help us know if we do enough DPS for a fight

[Rinhi]

I didn't read the whole thread but I have to ask, is quad weaving really a thing? I don't see how you could fit 4 oGCDs in the 2.5s window with the way animation locks and latency works, unless you somehow ended up with an incredible ping, even then though the animation locks would keep you from getting 4 inside that window.

I think what OP is referring to is someone pressing 1 GCD, then 4 OCGDs, not between the GCD time like you should but as if they were GCDs themselves

[RHarris1349]

You would have to read the new ToS they put out late last year, I am pretty sure it says something about vote dismissing players. It contained a lot of kinda nutty stuff such as not being allowed to tell a player how to play.

It’s pretty cut-and-dry details regarding harassment. I would read it again, it doesn’t state that one can’t dismiss someone from a party.

Now, you can’t lie and state a false reason while inside a duty or instance to boot them. Like saying offline while they’re not. SE never liked that from the get-go.

If someone as a PF party leader directly lashed out at you with name calling and such, or made you the butt of a joke to rally others against you and furthered those notions by telling you to “get out” or some such bs, without actually booting you from party (or if they booted you from party after giving you a bunch of crap) that is outlined as a huge no-no in the ToS. You could report that person and receive a quick reply from Support.

[Packetdancer]

We have the extreme/savage dummy to help us know if we do enough DPS for a fight

We do have that, and it is a terrible tool for the purpose of measuring your own improvement.

I know I am capable of doing my rotation as NIN (for instance) absolutely perfectly and without flaw or misstep when hitting the Stone, Sea, Sky dummies, because I don't have to do anything other than the rotation. I am in no way capable of doing the NIN rotation without missteps and mistakes when also dodging savage-level mechanics.

[Seraphor]

*Laughs in 2nd place dps shown in ACT latest 8man raid as SAM but listed as 4th place aggro".

Yes, aggro list "very accurate" in showing who doesn't know how to play their job.

It's not that difficult to discount the tanks and shift everyone along two places.
Aggro has a direct relationship to damage dealt, so you can absolutely just the dps output of the four dps jobs by aggro alone.
It's only the tanks, and sometimes the healers, who are outliers.

[Kleeya]

It's not that difficult to discount the tanks and shift everyone along two places.
Aggro has a direct relationship to damage dealt, so you can absolutely just the dps output of the four dps jobs by aggro alone.
It's only the tanks, and sometimes the healers, who are outliers.

A dps single targeting in a pack will be shown in lead on his target, while doing less global damage than the other dps using their aoes on all the mobs. Same with bosses and adds phase, a dps being in lead on the boss will drop in aggro when switching to the adds, compared to someone who will keep single targeting the boss instead of playing properly.

Or you can be killed by your teammates fleeing you when a stack marker appear above your head, and become last on the aggro jauges when ressurected, while still being in lead in dps because you know your rotation and the others not.

Aggro jauges are just that : aggro jauges. Don't mistake them for an accurate description of a player's prowess.

[Xuled]

No one who goes 1->90 or 80->90 directly knows how to play their Job.

YIKES if this is your thinking. If you don't know how to play your job after playing it from level 1 all the way to 90, you ARE a liability in end game content.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

I didn't read the whole thread but I have to ask, is quad weaving really a thing? I don't see how you could fit 4 oGCDs in the 2.5s window with the way animation locks and latency works, unless you somehow ended up with an incredible ping, even then though the animation locks would keep you from getting 4 inside that window.

No, you cannot quad weave, the enforced animation lock absolutely won't allow it, even triple weaving isn't possible without a clip.

[NishaSetsuya]

We do have that, and it is a terrible tool for the purpose of measuring your own improvement.

I know I am capable of doing my rotation as NIN (for instance) absolutely perfectly and without flaw or misstep when hitting the Stone, Sea, Sky dummies, because I don't have to do anything other than the rotation. I am in no way capable of doing the NIN rotation without missteps and mistakes when also dodging savage-level mechanics.

I did said it's only a tool to know your damage, afterward it's only how to perform while dodging that really all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm just not understanding what the point of damage meter when you know you have enough dps for those fight and it's only a matter as if you are able to perform while dodging

[thegreatonemal]

We do have that, and it is a terrible tool for the purpose of measuring your own improvement.

I know I am capable of doing my rotation as NIN (for instance) absolutely perfectly and without flaw or misstep when hitting the Stone, Sea, Sky dummies, because I don't have to do anything other than the rotation. I am in no way capable of doing the NIN rotation without missteps and mistakes when also dodging savage-level mechanics.

Then you already know what your problem is. Fix it practices parties exist. Do EXs, dungeons and the like make that rotation muscle memory.