So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[Packetdancer]

....but FFXIV actually did came out on PC first...although the idea was for the games to be released platform wide simulatenously and that obviously never happened. Dont remember that being also the case either back when FFXI was first launched.

I may be misremembering, but I think FFXI was the reverse; the console version was first, with the PC version second like... I want to say six months later, or something? At any rate, that might be where the confusion came from.

[Waliel]

At this point I want to see the meters implemented for a week just to see the world burn. Call it final days. Also, my favourite enrage in normal content is Amaurot last boss.

No, you cannot quad weave, the enforced animation lock absolutely won't allow it, even triple weaving isn't possible without a clip.

You can triple weave inside a swifted Slipstream as a Summoner and its 3.5s recast, but I don't think quad is possible even with that. Why you'd ever need to do that is another matter entirely.

And yet how exactly do you know proper job usage without using third party tools to determine what is mathematically the best usage of abilites?

The skills have potencies listed and you can excel the optimal rotation from that.

Also mechanics give damage downs, so not doing the mechanic is probably more of a dps loss than a dropped gcd to do the mechanic.

In some fights it is as high as 50% and at that point it's equivalent to death. I feel like I heard 30% for the current tier, but don't quote me on that.

[Somnolence]

The skills have potencies listed and you can excel the optimal rotation from that.

Fun fact, exact BLM Astral Phase DPS multiplier for fire spells is not shown in game anywhere at all. Without datamining/parser you would not know its 40%/60%/80%.
The game is extremely vague on a lot of things, community had basically to reverse engineer the used formulas. Still Excel spreadsheets used to calculate rotations/gear DPS for various jobs are approximations and even DoT damage calculation used by ACT is still not 100% correct due the way server sends the information so it has to estimate it.

Ironically game DPS balance is clearly influenced by fflogs as it represents the community perception of balance so the developers tune jobs with it in mind.

[van_arn]

You can talk about it without pointing fingers.

This. You can say “wow I did 1k less than I normally do” but not “you did 1k less than you normally do.”

Unless you file a report on yourself, I guess. Someone else needs to report you for harassment, and they need to be the target of it.

[van_arn]

I may be misremembering, but I think FFXI was the reverse; the console version was first, with the PC version second like... I want to say six months later, or something? At any rate, that might be where the confusion came from.

Ps2 released in Japan, then about a year later NA got it on pc with the first expansion included. Then a while later NA ps2 launched.

That’s when I, a gracious 50ish Paladin, explained to a ps2 newcomer he didn’t need to save his game before logging out.

[Akamadoshi]

how would someone realize they are not playing at a level that needs to be played for that content? Want a perfect example of how this parser and features from it can be useful? Without this information, said person would have never have realized they could potentially be the problem. This is exactly how the tool should be used, so yes, in your group if someone performing relatively low, there shouldn't be anything against removing them since they are causing you to not reach the enrage time. Does that mean you need to ridicule them? No, but it also might mean that instead of disbanding the group, the lower performing player could be removed, swapped in with someone who can play a little better, and then the group could continue.

I understand that people would like this tool to be in for that sole reason, but that is where the problems will begin. Basically, once the tool is implemented, people no longer will only use it for own improvement, but rather, judge others like the OP has suggested. “calling out” and it no longer becomes reportable because it is a tool in-game and a huge nope. If you understand what I mean ^^; I do not disagree in such regard, but, sadly, people WILL abuse it as they have had before and they now are strict. However, because of the great advantage of the tool and self-improving, it is greyed. And I say “SELF-improvement” what others do, should not be our concern. If it is, one needs a static to cease the stress. Me for example have major mental health issues and was told I should be 'banned for doing Savage with mental health issues', because mental health issues doesn't mean I have no right to play Savage. I am medicated and when it is bad I don't raid. The point I am making with it, is that this is the real reason I purposely do not go for static as I know my illness is a burden to everyone and I was told so many times, so I started toplay on JP DC and studied JP while playing so I am comfortable in my DC and play with those who understand you can have bad day somedays, and better days the other. I do not want to be a burden, but people like me will be the victims when parsing becomes in-game thing. I will be hurt by many for not playing 100%, while 100% isn't even required for DPS check (100% means both tanks/healers/DPS input in total numbers) and it varies depending on your PT composition. It is quite complex. But that is why, while I understand, it is something that WILL be abused. And the exclusion of content will become a thing.

My biggest fear is that then I no longer can enjoy savage raids anymore. Because if not only mental health but also high ping. However, using parsing is OK as long as it is used to improve self my friend on PS4 asks me the numbers and recently he noticed how low damage he did, so I showed him the NA opener for WAR and since then he does great.

[Nuki]

In some fights it is as high as 50% and at that point it's equivalent to death. I feel like I heard 30% for the current tier, but don't quote me on that.

from the site that shall not be named

damage down strength in each fight:
p1s: 25%
p2s: 27%
p3s: 36%
p4s p1: 35%
p4s p2: 42%

[Reap00]

You can't be serious and start whining about how there's the possibility of people harassing you over a parser or whatever scenarios y'all like to imagine in your heads when it rarely if ever happens in game. You know what does happen in game? People who don't know how to press their 1-2-3 combo or quadruple weave their gcds. There's no way that open communication about trying to kill the boss and making sure everyone is up to par is worse than the player who still doesn't know their rotation at level 90 and doesn't even have the right food buff on. And often you don't even need to bring third party programs into the conversation. When I look at the aggro list and see the dragoon below the summoner, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone doesn't know how to play their class.

They expect you to treat other players with respect in this game. If you want to treat others like garbage WoW is a great fit for you.

[Rilifane]

They expect you to treat other players with respect in this game. If you want to treat others like garbage WoW is a great fit for you.

People keep bringing up the argument that we should respect each other.
Indeed, we should. And it's a two-way street: not even bothering to learn the absolute basics you can discern from reading tooltips alone when facing something that has a dps check is disrespectful.
Please point me to any post stating that someone just wants to treat others like garbage without facing repercussions.
This whole "But.... we are nice people! We respect each other! Go to your filthy garbage WoW if you want to yell at others, insult their moms and treat them like garbage!" is getting tiresome. And it was never a good "argument", either.
You can talk about dps and how to meet the dps check without resorting to insults, yelling and finger-pointing.
Shocking, I know.

[Kolaina]

They expect you to treat other players with respect in this game. If you want to treat others like garbage WoW is a great fit for you.

Everyone who says something I don’t like must go back to WoW. Implying I am a better, kinder person than WoW players. Simultaneously acting as bad or worse than that same community I am condemning.
Makes sense