So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[LittleImp]

I cant say anything about P4S since I havent done it, but it just feels silly and childish to pin all the blame on a single person when its like you said a group effort.

Let's make a hypothetical scenario here.

8 people have to deal 2.5k each to meet a minimum requirement of 20k.

7 people deal 2.6k, 1 person deals 1.7k, preventing the group from achieving the minimum requirement. This may go on for hours at a time, maybe even days, or weeks.

While trying to find a solution to this problem, is it more 'fair' to ask the people who are doing 2.6k to work even harder, or to ask the person doing 1.7k to improve or leave?

[Atelier-Bagur]

Let's make a hypothetical scenario here.

8 people have to deal 2.5k each to meet a minimum requirement of 20k.

7 people deal 2.6k, 1 person deals 1.7k, preventing the group from achieving the minimum requirement. This may go on for hours at a time, maybe even days, or weeks.

While trying to find a solution to this problem, is it more 'fair' to ask the people who are doing 2.6k to work even harder, or to ask the person doing 1.7k to improve or leave?

Better question is, if this "hypothetical scenario" is the be all end all scenario required for P4S. As in, the fight is completely designed for only the most optimal jobs only, for the most optimal players to do their perfect rotations. If not then this scenario is entirely pointless.

[Michieltjuhh]

Better question is, if this "hypothetical scenario" is the be all end all scenario required for P4S. As in, the fight is completely designed for only the most optimal jobs only, for the most optimal players to do their perfect rotations. If not then this scenario is entirely pointless.

It is quite tight, until people start outgearing fights. Even in P3S the damage check was quite tight in the first couple of weeks. The patch certainly made things more lenient, but a lot of people don't want to - and shouldn't have to - wait for major buffs and gear increases, just because PF is full of players who don't want to play properly but still want to get kills.

[Amon-ster]

Better question is, if this "hypothetical scenario" is the be all end all scenario required for P4S. As in, the fight is completely designed for only the most optimal jobs only, for the most optimal players to do their perfect rotations. If not then this scenario is entirely pointless.

Not exactly. See in this hypothetical situation, 2.5k DPS isn't even high. It's like, average at best. The person doing 1.7k is just doing TERRIBLE. XIV fights aren't designed for optimal top DPS gamers. They're just made for people who actually know what they're doing. And sadly, the game as a whole doesn't really teach you how to play.