So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

**Katt_Felista** · 01-25-2022 11:23 AM

Oh yeah let's talk about this stupid discrimination and Elitism, today i was kicked from a French Static because i did a bad parse as Main Tank on killing Phoenix savage (9% they said), and then i did a very low parse as a DRK OT on the same fight but still managed to kill the boss anyway. That static was very salty because when training with them we wouldn't even go past the Adds on that fight, and they allow us, after the end of the week final tries / training to do our own attempt at killing the last bosses we can't in static. But they discriminated on me using the final fantasy log website and all it's tools, saying that it was a "bad look" for their progression and overall "rank" in front of everybody else. (despite them feeling like they are in a race, but not even killing p3s after 3 weeks, so, it's very debatable why they did kick me, but they did bringing up parse, bad "ranking" in these websites and all kind of elitist stuff) Funny part being they first recruited me without even announcing they would be that demanding and focused on being "competitive"...

So yeah, people just judge you and even insult you , and be passive agressive to a degree never seen before on more or less underground / hidden types of discord and make you a "bad name" because you parse not so good, even if you have perseverance / are consistant at reaching enrages and then killing the bosses. Funny times.

**Bobby66** · 01-25-2022 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by VelKallor

Bunch of words.

We already know the answer will be no, does not mean we cannot openly discuss or be against the reasoning stated.

Are you telling me I should hold someone accountable for something they say to me that I choose to be offended by? May I ask why should I feel offended? I am one of those free style garbage players that people like to talk about, if someone calls me bad can you please tell me why I should be offended? I have been told to delete the game, stay dead since my presence makes things harder. In many games should I take offense to these statements? Care to explain why I should be offended by words from a random stranger I will never meet?

Let us be real even me as a garbage tier player that bought my clears can keep still keep track of the times I was flamed, but I cannot even tell you how many neutral or positive runs I have had. For the most part those that flame or get flamed are few and far in-between. You know it to be true but since neither side can prove otherwise fair enough. Though logically speaking it is disingenuous to think negative experiences with parsing across the entire player base of say WoW far outweigh the neutral and or positive ones. Even a high ball you are going to tell me with a straight face you had more runs were a parse was used to harass someone verse one where nothing happened or someone was pleasant about it? At that point idk if parsing was the issue.

Let us be fair the comparison stands that is the logic behind people that do not want parsing. It can be used or has been used to cause great harm, so we must bar the tool from being used on a larger scale to cut back on potential harm, but wait people that will misuse the tool are still finding ways to cause harm to others. What or who exactly are they protecting?

I willing to bet money that even Yoshi P uses a parser. Sometimes you have to come to terms with the fact you cannot protect everyone, and trying so really only hurts legitimate users. Console users would greatly benefit from an official parser, and I am also willing to bet the uptick in harassment would stay roughly in lines with the rates of current parsing harassment when scaled to match the increase of users.

Sure the topic may be dead but hiding behind a faulty stance does not make a solid point good sir.

**IdowhatIwant** · 01-25-2022 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Katt_Felista

SNIP

I feel like this did not happen mostly cause the story has inconsistencies that don't make sense, but English may not be your first language so what ever. I personally probably would not want to join a static that cares about its rank on FFLOGs as I find that's very unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Any mention of that to me I would probably tell them I am out cause I don't really care that much about a video game.
And I also feel you should be aware that 9%, means 91% of people that did that content as your class performed better than you did on that specific run. So maybe you should take some criticism as perhaps you are doing something incorrect that could improve your performance, whether that is from deaths, damage downs, rotation issues, I don't know that's for you to discover but being that low shows there is likely an issue some where. It does sound like you do have some improvement to do before you are 100% ready for savage content though as an average player in this economy should be around 30 - 50%.
I am not sure if you were kicked out or turned down, but I would not consider that elitism, passive aggression or anything. Now if they were actually concerned about there rank on FFLOGs sure I would consider that egotistical but I wasn't there I don't know what was actually said. If I was leading a static, and we had been progging almost a month on p3s I probably would start looking into what the issues are and begin addressing them specially if these issues are consistent. Statics are fun, a team of 8 people trying to achieve a common goal, but it can start getting frustrating when people are being held back because of certain players performances. It is after all a team effort, to kill the boss before enrage timer.

**Conando** · 01-25-2022 03:29 PM

“Quadruple Weaving”

Lol what, you double weave at most, and if your timing is off you mess up your rotation.

**Denji** · 01-25-2022 04:02 PM

if you're playing with randos you have no room to complain unless they are literally incapable of playing or are intentionally playing wrong to troll. you want to hold people accountable via parsing? do it with a static.

this shouldn't even be a discussion considering how a near-borderline obsession with both parsers and other addons was one of the contributors to particularly famous mmo's fall from grace. instead of helping improve players all parsing did was create a barrier to entry to anyone new, making it difficult if not sometimes impossible to find a group willing to help you learn mechanics. it made your in-game time more like a 2nd job where you'd need to provide references from old statics and logs of previous content you ran, all just to play a game. it got so bad that the devs incorrectly assumed that end-game, ultra-parsing content where you needed an addon to track your healing/damage and act as a digital GPS telling you what to do and where to go is what people wanted.

my personal beef with parsing is that it discouraged people from thinking on the fly and coming with novel or otherwise creative solutions to situations or mechanics that would ordinarily be glossed over for the sake of speed. parsing can make things smooth and consistent but it quickly becomes an issue the moment the party hits the slightest bump. learning to handle things organically (including helping other players) instead of following a script is overall more important to making a pleasant community where the majority is - at the very least - capable of clearing content instead of a select few.

in MMOs there will be always people interested in the numbers, whether they be the equivalent of min-maxing powergamers from tabletop RPGs to people genuinely interested in statistics and the math behind it all. there will never be a way to stop parsers from logging and - as far as i am aware - the only methods that could detect parsers would be incredibly invasive anticheat system(s).

but despite my acceptance that parsers will always exist, i am in full support of discouraging usage of said parsers to gatekeep other players. you are free to treat the game as a job but you are not free to force other players to also treat it like one. there is nothing forcing you to remain in a group for any content that would require all 8 (or more) players to pull their weight as even the timeout is trivial at that point due to the fact that one usually would need to find another static which more often than not have a consistent schedule/day they play per week/month.

even then, there aren't enough people doing the sort of end-game content that would require intensive parsing on a consistent enough basis that would make a 30m timeout the end of the world, thus negating any penalty all the more.

**IdowhatIwant** · 01-25-2022 05:28 PM