So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[Xuled]

No one who goes 1->90 or 80->90 directly knows how to play their Job.

YIKES if this is your thinking. If you don't know how to play your job after playing it from level 1 all the way to 90, you ARE a liability in end game content.

[MilkieTea]

How do you know any of that is the case besides you fantasizing about it?

One time I logged in after losing my job. That day, I played really badly. But someone like you would say, "oh, that person boosted."

Get over yourself. You are not god's gift to gaming. You don't know why someone is struggling, or where they are in their experience at that moment. New players have to go into Savage and make mistakes in order to get better. If you don't want to deal with new players, make a static of all legends. What you're suggesting here is the exclusion of most of the playerbase. No one who goes 1->90 or 80->90 directly knows how to play their Job. It takes time for most people to do their rotation correctly. Not optimally, but correctly. It takes even more time for them to be good enough to do extremes, and more than that for them to do Savages.

You don't get to gatekeep and determine when people get to try these things.

If you don't know to press your jobs basic 1-2-3 after playing from 1-90, then why are you attempting extremes where you will be expected to know to press your jobs basic 1-2-3?

[Liam_Harper]

Get over yourself. You are not god's gift to gaming. You don't know why someone is struggling, or where they are in their experience at that moment. New players have to go into Savage and make mistakes in order to get better. If you don't want to deal with new players, make a static of all legends. What you're suggesting here is the exclusion of most of the playerbase. No one who goes 1->90 or 80->90 directly knows how to play their Job. It takes time for most people to do their rotation correctly. Not optimally, but correctly. It takes even more time for them to be good enough to do extremes, and more than that for them to do Savages.

You don't get to gatekeep and determine when people get to try these things.

You're taking things as a personal attack and not even reading the posts.

No one said that people who are struggling and learning should be excluded from content. It's not about being an inexperienced player, a hardcore raider, playing flawlessly, having a bad run and so on. It doesn't matter if you make mistakes, as long as you're willing to try and do your best.

They said that players who outright refuse to learn or improve should not participate in team based content. And that's absolutely fair.

[Ronduwil]

I mean, if a “casual” player:

-Still doesn’t know their job’s basic 1-2-3s by Lv. 90.
-Still gets ganked by every single mechanic, even simple ones introduced way back in ARR, at Lv. 90.
-Outright refuses to get better and instead throws a tantrum on the forums and demands for content to get nerfed the moment they get walled by literally anything in the MSQ.
-Responds to any form of criticism or feedback with nonsense like “YOU DON’T PAY MY SUB!” or “Help GMs! I’m being harassed!!!”

Then despite then things listed above, said player still sneaks into a Savage Clear/Farm PF thinking he’s entitled to a carry, then plays victim the moment he’s vote kicked by his seven other party members for wiping the raid over and over...

Then who’s really being the toxic one here? The casual, or the raiders? Really makes you think.

How many players do any of those things, let alone all of them? Is it fair to cast the entire vast casual community as "toxic" because a handful of players (the bottom 1% of the bottom 1%) misbehave like this? Most casuals don't even set foot in a Savage clear, let alone demand a carry.

[IdowhatIwant]

People who don't know how to press their 1-2-3 combo or quadruple weave their gcds.

This tells me one of two things, you don't know how to play, or you use more mods than just ACT. Better be careful about them quadruple weaves cause fflogs will ban you and so will SE.

Is how to tell if you are up to par, with out any parser. Get to enrage with out deaths and see how much % HP the boss has left. If there are no deaths and its HP > 1% you have an uptime problem odds are. If its HP > 5% you have players that probably should not be doing that content.

How ever with them quadruple weaves you be pulling I see how you would ever have any dps issues.

[gumas]

how the F you quadruple weave exactly? this is the first time i heard this? with my latency the best i can do is double weaving and that is already pushing it

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

how the F you quadruple weave exactly? this is the first time i heard this? with my latency the best i can do is double weaving and that is already pushing it

You cant. It's not a thing that's even possible.

[Jeeqbit]

The game has DPS checks and you will know if you need more DPS by if the DPS check wipes the party.

The game also has a way to measure if you have enough DPS with Stone, Sky, Sea and the current version of it called The Burning Field.

[ForteNightshade]

The game has DPS checks and you will know if you need more DPS by if the DPS check wipes the party.

The game also has a way to measure if you have enough DPS with Stone, Sky, Sea and the current version of it called The Burning Field.

Neither of this is necessarily true, especially the latter.

Case in point, one of the TEA groups I was apart of hit enrage several times on Perfect Alexander despite zero deaths. Clearly a DPS issue, yes? Even though two of the DPS had relics and everyone had the dungeon BiS, thereby making us stronger than when it originally released. Turns out neither healer properly communicated their healing, which the raid lead and I only noticed by going through logs to figure why we simply couldn't beat enrage. They were, on average, 2,000 below what's expected for that phase. Each.. Asking the DPS and/or takes to make up that much damage is essentially asking they play to perfection while nost expecting the same from either healer. It's a wholly unrealistic and unfair standard.

As for Stone, Sky, Sea. It's a near worthless metric due to being a stationary target. People usually fumble their rotation when mechanics are happening not when they can sit and turret. Furthermore, SSS has been notoriously tuned incredibly poorly. Back in Shadowbringers, the physical range literally couldn't beat the dummy in full Savage gear because it was tuned without the assumption of buffs. Think about that. This is supposed to be a tool to tell you whether you're capable of attempting Savage and you can't beat it... with the gear from Savage. Nevermind that it doesn't help healers in any capacity. All in all, it's pretty much useless.

[Lieri]

If this game requires me to quadruple weave anything I'd uninstall it immediately. That might require you to have 5-10ms ping. I can handle the sub fee but for me to relocate somewhere near the servers to be able to quadruple weave? that's mental.