So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[Intellion]

I have a proposal regarding this.

If SE absolutely refuses to add performance report cards of any form in a game that has DPS/performance checks in a bid to prevent “toxicity” (though the ones being toxic here are the bad players sneaking into high-end content PFs that they are severely unqualified for)...

Then for high-end content ONLY, they should add a new vote kick reason: “Underperformance.”

With this new vote kick option, if you get a bad/unqualified player sneaking into your clear/farm PFs (“traps,” as the raiding community calls them, for they trap the raid into endless wipes), and they get vote kicked with the new “underperformance” option, they will see the following system message on their screen:

“You have been dismissed from the party for underperforming in the selected high-end content.”

If the toxic casuals want to keep clowning on the players who actually put the effort to learn difficult content, then the latter should also be given a way to “clown” the toxic casuals back in a polite manner that still drives in the point that they don’t currently belong in the PF they’re sneaking into, and I think this revision to the vote kick system should do it.

[AlyaNimfa]

I have a proposal regarding this.

If SE absolutely refuses to add performance report cards of any form in a game that has DPS/performance checks in a bid to prevent “toxicity” (though the ones being toxic here are the bad players sneaking into high-end content PFs that they are severely unqualified for)...

Then for high-end content ONLY, they should add a new vote kick reason: “Underperformance.”

With this new vote kick option, if you get a bad/unqualified player sneaking into your clear/farm PFs (“traps,” as the raiding community calls them, for they trap the raid into endless wipes), and they get vote kicked with the new “underperformance” option, they will see the following system message on their screen:

“You have been dismissed from the party for underperforming in the selected high-end content.”

If the toxic casuals want to keep clowning on the players who actually put the effort to learn difficult content, then the latter should also be given a way to “clown” the toxic casuals back in a polite manner that still drives in the point that they don’t currently belong in the PF they’re sneaking into, and I think this revision to the vote kick system should do it.

So you are asking for SE to allow a reasoning in vote kick, which would point to the use of tools that go against the TOS, even if they remain against the rules? Riiiiiiight.

Also, the way you throw around those names like "toxic casual" really only highlights your vitriol toward large portions of the community. I suggest you cool your jets and go for a walk, because the only one being toxic is you.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So you are asking for SE to allow a reasoning in vote kick, which would point to the use of tools that go against the TOS, even if they remain against the rules? Riiiiiiight.

Also, the way you throw around those names like "toxic casual" really only highlights your vitriol toward large portions of the community. I suggest you cool your jets and go for a walk, because the only one being toxic is you.

Well, the best part is you can look them up...


Pot may need to stop talk about kettle lol. (them, not you)

[AlyaNimfa]

Well, the best part is you can look them up...


Pot may need to stop talk about kettle lol.

Gr8 b8 m8.

[kizumiayamame]

Well, the best part is you can look them up...


Pot may need to stop talk about kettle lol. (them, not you)

Please stick to the topic I put in the OP. Detracting from the original topic to personally attack me isn't just a waste of time, it's also rude.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Please stick to the topic I put in the OP. Detracting from the original topic to personally attack me isn't just a waste of time, it's also rude.

Wasn't talking about you at all. But thanks for assuming.

[KariTheFox]

sneaking into high-end content PFs that they are severely unqualified

"Sneaking in" they are using the PF interface to join a group they are qualified for. If there's an issue, the leader of the PF can just kick them, no questions asked.

There is absolutely no need for a "we kicked you because you suck, buddy" button. (Which I'm sure would be used very responsibly and not get abused endlessly.)

If the leader of the PF you're in is not kicking bad players by your standards, your solution is to join a different PF, make your own, join a static group with more exacting standards... or just suck it up and try with the group you have.

[Intellion]

So you are asking for SE to allow a reasoning in vote kick, which would point to the use of tools that go against the TOS, even if they remain against the rules? Riiiiiiight.

Also, the way you throw around those names like "toxic casual" really only highlights your vitriol toward large portions of the community. I suggest you cool your jets and go for a walk, because the only one being toxic is you.

I mean, if a “casual” player:

-Still doesn’t know their job’s basic 1-2-3s by Lv. 90.
-Still gets ganked by every single mechanic, even simple ones introduced way back in ARR, at Lv. 90.
-Outright refuses to get better and instead throws a tantrum on the forums and demands for content to get nerfed the moment they get walled by literally anything in the MSQ.
-Responds to any form of criticism or feedback with nonsense like “YOU DON’T PAY MY SUB!” or “Help GMs! I’m being harassed!!!”

Then despite then things listed above, said player still sneaks into a Savage Clear/Farm PF thinking he’s entitled to a carry, then plays victim the moment he’s vote kicked by his seven other party members for wiping the raid over and over...

Then who’s really being the toxic one here? The casual, or the raiders? Really makes you think.

[Floortank]

I mean, if a “casual” player:

-Still doesn’t know their job’s basic 1-2-3s by Lv. 90.
-Still gets ganked by every single mechanic, even simple ones introduced way back in ARR, at Lv. 90.
-Outright refuses to get better and instead throws a tantrum on the forums and demands for content to get nerfed the moment they get walled by literally anything in the MSQ.
-Responds to any form of criticism or feedback with nonsense like “YOU DON’T PAY MY SUB!” or “Help GMs! I’m being harassed!!!”

Then despite then things listed above, said player still sneaks into a Savage Clear/Farm PF thinking he’s entitled to a carry, then plays victim the moment he’s vote kicked by his seven other party members for wiping the raid over and over...

Then who’s really being the toxic one here? The casual, or the raiders? Really makes you think.

How do you know any of that is the case besides you fantasizing about it?

One time I logged in after losing my job. That day, I played really badly. But someone like you would say, "oh, that person boosted."

Get over yourself. You are not god's gift to gaming. You don't know why someone is struggling, or where they are in their experience at that moment. New players have to go into Savage and make mistakes in order to get better. If you don't want to deal with new players, make a static of all legends. What you're suggesting here is the exclusion of most of the playerbase. No one who goes 1->90 or 80->90 directly knows how to play their Job. It takes time for most people to do their rotation correctly. Not optimally, but correctly. It takes even more time for them to be good enough to do extremes, and more than that for them to do Savages.

You don't get to gatekeep and determine when people get to try these things.

[Kolsykol]

How do you know any of that is the case besides you fantasizing about it?

One time I logged in after losing my job. That day, I played really badly. But someone like you would say, "oh, that person boosted."

Get over yourself. You are not god's gift to gaming. You don't know why someone is struggling, or where they are in their experience at that moment. New players have to go into Savage and make mistakes in order to get better. If you don't want to deal with new players, make a static of all legends. What you're suggesting here is the exclusion of most of the playerbase. No one who goes 1->90 or 80->90 directly knows how to play their Job. It takes time for most people to do their rotation correctly. Not optimally, but correctly. It takes even more time for them to be good enough to do extremes, and more than that for them to do Savages.

You don't get to gatekeep and determine when people get to try these things.

I don't think that not knowing your basic combo can be excused with '' I lost my job today ''.

You also shouldn't be anywhere near Savage if you don't even know how your skills work.
You also shouldn't join Savage because you dinged 90, you should take time to learn your Job properly otherwise you're just wasting everyones time doing something you shouldn't be doing.
So yes if you don't know how to play your Job you should be gatekept from Savage ( and Extremes ).

I'd say the same for really basic mechanics, in one of the P2S groups I was in we had a Healer who three times in a row couldn't comprehend the concept of running to the platform and using Surecast.
If you don't get something that simple in three attempts then maybe you shouldn't be there.
Same thing if you're joining a Clear group and you don't understand the limit cut, why are you so important that you get to waste everyones time why should we have to go at it for 8 hours for you to understand a simple mechanic?
Join a Practice party then maybe create one yourself for the mechanic you're having problems with.

"Sneaking in" they are using the PF interface to join a group they are qualified for. If there's an issue, the leader of the PF can just kick them, no questions asked.

There is absolutely no need for a "we kicked you because you suck, buddy" button. (Which I'm sure would be used very responsibly and not get abused endlessly.)

If the leader of the PF you're in is not kicking bad players by your standards, your solution is to join a different PF, make your own, join a static group with more exacting standards... or just suck it up and try with the group you have.

Problem is most PF leaders at least in my experience don't kick them, they just disband the group entirely so these individuals ruin it for everyone.
I think people either don't know who because they're not paying attention to others or they're afraid because they think they'll get in trouble but more often than not the bad apple doesn't actually get kicked.

A lot of people are also extremely quick to label you an elitist and turn you into the bad guy, I had this when I was having my nightmare runs in P2S and desperately trying to get a clear there was ALWAYS 2-3 people ruining it who had no idea what they were doing.
In one of the groups I was in we had a RPR and DNC who neither of which had any melds and we had DPS issues, I didn't even notice until like after 2 hours because I usually don't inspect people.
And when I brought it up they turned it around on me and acted like I was being ridiculous for expecting them to bring melded gear ( again, in a group we were having DPS issues with and died to enrage ).
Ofc group ended up being disbanded, I think we would've gotten the kill if they had come prepared but they didn't...

I just think it sucks that people like this get to ruin things and waste everyones time, when you enter Savage come prepared or don't come at all.
Even in Practice groups at least have watched a Guide unless it's a blind run.